Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

An irony that is surely a condemnation of our government, India of all places solving our British hunger problem:

"As many UK schools break for half term, chef Romy Gill and Sheila Dillon focus on our national problem with holiday hunger. Earlier this year, a UN special rapporteur found poverty in the UK to be "systematic" and "tragic". The Work and Pensions Committee published a separate report suggesting that while poverty rates are much higher in households where no-one works, almost one in 10 households with children where all adults work full-time are in poverty. In the school holidays, food budgets are stretched even further. Now a charity from India, who regularly feed 1.76 million school children, says it can help. In this programme, Romy visits a holiday club in Croydon in South London where Akshaya Patra are working with local groups and trialling a new way of providing school meals. Could the organisation's success in India help solve a UK holiday hunger crisis?"

Program link
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[oldgroaner]

An irony that is surely a condemnation of our government, India of all places solving our British hunger problem:

"As many UK schools break for half term, chef Romy Gill and Sheila Dillon focus on our national problem with holiday hunger. Earlier this year, a UN special rapporteur found poverty in the UK to be "systematic" and "tragic". The Work and Pensions Committee published a separate report suggesting that while poverty rates are much higher in households where no-one works, almost one in 10 households with children where all adults work full-time are in poverty. In the school holidays, food budgets are stretched even further. Now a charity from India, who regularly feed 1.76 million school children, says it can help. In this programme, Romy visits a holiday club in Croydon in South London where Akshaya Patra are working with local groups and trialling a new way of providing school meals. Could the organisation's success in India help solve a UK holiday hunger crisis?"

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the Empire strikes back!
They must feel a certain glow from doing this,and who can blame them?
More noble to us than we ever were to them.

 

[oldgroaner]

Classic scenes in the house where the Government accused Bercow of being partisan and overstepping the mark on disallowing the vote on Boris's deal today, this was his response

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1186298841831821312

 

[50Hertz]

BBC News @ 6 top story, Prince Ginger & Mangle Merkel. FFS Unbelievable. There’s other more important $hit going off in the country right now. We need to be focused on politics, not gingers.

 

[Danidl]

Flecc,..It might appear that the statement that unsigned letter was fully legal and incomformance with the undertakings etc might be premature. The Court in Scotland is examining that today.

 

[oldgroaner]

BBC News @ 6 top story, Prince Ginger & Mangle Merkel. FFS Unbelievable. There’s other more important $hit going off in the country right now. We need to be focused on politics, not gingers.

Absolutely!

 

[oldgroaner]

Encapsulates TM's view rather well

Quality trolling!

 

[oldgroaner]

Fake news by the Government to discredit the Pro Remain Demo


Jessica Simor QC

Turns out that cars were able to enter/leave Parliament; this was a propaganda stunt. Leadsom, Rees-Mogg and Gove selected to turn the story of a huge anti-Brexit march into a story about harassing leave politicians.
@krishgm

@jonsnowC4

@adamboultonSKY

@maitlis
please investigate

 

[oyster]

Fake news by the Government to discredit the Pro Remain Demo


Jessica Simor QC

Turns out that cars were able to enter/leave Parliament; this was a propaganda stunt. Leadsom, Rees-Mogg and Gove selected to turn the story of a huge anti-Brexit march into a story about harassing leave politicians.
@krishgm

@jonsnowC4

@adamboultonSKY

@maitlis
please investigate

From that first twitter link:

[B]Mike Butcher #RegisterToVote[/B]‏Verified account @[B]mikebutcher[/B] Oct 20



German TV put the #PeoplesVoteMarch at 2.2 million, according to a German methodology for estimating crowds

And from another one:

[B]Lewis Goodall[/B]‏Verified account @[B]lewis_goodall[/B]






Steve Barclay confirms to both @hilarybennmp and @SDoughtyMP what he said to @StewartWood earlier in the day: under Boris Johnson’s deal Northern Irish firms selling goods to GB will have to fill out customs documentation to do so. Filling out forms to sell in your own country...

 

[oyster]

BBC News @ 6 top story, Prince Ginger & Mangle Merkel. FFS Unbelievable. There’s other more important $hit going off in the country right now. We need to be focused on politics, not gingers.

The choice of running order and how long to spend on each story has long been, in my view, very badly misjudged.

There are times a very simple story is expanded and pushes out other stories which might be more important or, by being more complicated, need longer time. Classic is when someone' death is announced. Only takes a few seconds to say but if they ever appeared in programs on the broadcaster's channel, we are given clips to watch.

Far better, if they feel the need, to put together some sort of memorial program properly.

 

[flecc]

Flecc,..It might appear that the statement that unsigned letter was fully legal and incomformance with the undertakings etc might be premature. The Court in Scotland is examining that today.

The EU don't appear to be concerned. Don't be surprised to learn that they grant an extension, whether we like it or not.

I'm still betting that it is compliant with the Benn Act, since Johnson has legally acknowledged at the time of sending that he sent the request.
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[oldgroaner]

From that first twitter link:

[B]Mike Butcher #RegisterToVote[/B]‏Verified account @[B]mikebutcher[/B] Oct 20



German TV put the #PeoplesVoteMarch at 2.2 million, according to a German methodology for estimating crowds

And from another one:

[B]Lewis Goodall[/B]‏Verified account @[B]lewis_goodall[/B]






Steve Barclay confirms to both @hilarybennmp and @SDoughtyMP what he said to @StewartWood earlier in the day: under Boris Johnson’s deal Northern Irish firms selling goods to GB will have to fill out customs documentation to do so. Filling out forms to sell in your own country...

Only an organisational genius could have come up with the customs situation in that last paragraph

 

[oldgroaner]

The EU don't appear to be concerned. Don't be surprised to learn that they grant an extension, whether we like it or not.

I'm still betting that it is compliant with the Benn Act, since Johnson has legally acknowledged at the time of sending that he sent the request.
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They should have specified it to be signed with his thumbprint so it could be optically matched and DNA verified!

 

[oldgroaner]

The EU don't appear to be concerned. Don't be surprised to learn that they grant an extension, whether we like it or not.

I'm still betting that it is compliant with the Benn Act, since Johnson has legally acknowledged at the time of sending that he sent the request.
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Of course they will, they must be enjoying watching the goings on in the world's biggest Chimpanzees tea party, after all we are paying for the privilege.

 

[oldgroaner]

Here we are folks the full text of the Withdrawal Bill
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2019-2020/0007/20007.pdf

Section 5A
"WORKERS’ RETAINED EU RIGHTS Acts of Parliament: statements of non-regression 1 (1) A Minister of the Crown in charge of a relevant Bill in either House of Parliament must, before Second Reading of the Bill— (a) make a statement to the effect that in the Minister’s view the provisions of the Bill will not result in the law of the 5 10 15 20 25 30 35 European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Bill Schedule 4 — Protection for workers’ rights 63 relevant part or parts of the United Kingdom failing to confer any workers’ retained EU right (a “statement of non-regression”), or (b) make a statement to the effect that although the Minister is unable to make a statement of non-regression Her Majesty’s Government nevertheless wishes the House to proceed with the Bill."

In other words they will do what they like with worker's rights

 

[wheeler]

You missed the chain!

Gunter's or Engineer's?

 

[oyster]

They should have specified it to be signed with his thumbprint so it could be optically matched and DNA verified!

Should there ever be another such Act, I am sure it will cover signing and change the requirement not to be sent, but delivered, by a time.

 

[oldgroaner]

I have skip read this document, if ever there was proof that the public didn't know what they were voting for this is it, and it is so obscurely worded that it can be made to mean any damn thing the Government of the day wants it to.
Voting for it can only be described as an act of criminal folly.
It's very much designed to give absolute power to the Government over the workforce.
It appears on the surface to reaffirm current worker's rights, but this paragraph
"make a statement to the effect that although the Minister is unable to make a statement of non-regression Her Majesty’s Government nevertheless wishes the House to proceed with the Bill."
Gives the game away. The assurances on Worker's rights are a sham.

 

[oyster]

Gunter's or Engineer's?

I was thinking about 22 yard chains!

http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/units/length.htm#rchain

The complexities of older measurements is astonishing. Things like a wool stone being 14, 15 or 24 lbs. There were good reasons and it all made sense in context, but...

 

[oyster]

I have skip read this document, if ever there was proof that the public didn't know what they were voting for this is it, and it is so obscurely worded that it can be made to mean any damn thing the Government of the day wants it to.
Voting for it can only be described as an act of criminal folly.
It's very much designed to give absolute power to the Government over the workforce.
It appears on the surface to reaffirm current worker's rights, but this paragraph
"make a statement to the effect that although the Minister is unable to make a statement of non-regression Her Majesty’s Government nevertheless wishes the House to proceed with the Bill."
Gives the game away. The assurances on Worker's rights are a sham.

I have never really had much doubt about my remain viewpoint. But I have from time to time tried to consider whether leaving has any vaildity or sense to it. The sort of statement you quote make me surer than ever, even if leave had some good points, not that I actually found any, this is absolutely not the way it should be managed.