Brexit, for once some facts.
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As you say, the story makes no sense unless you look at it from the point of destroying evidence and deliberate acts intended frustrate an investigation. Then the story is quite plausible. Again, the Brexidiots will buy into the story and blindly place their faith in Johnson to deliver them something. They are such a pushover.
I think you will find that when a newspaper claims "a source said" it means they made it up .And here is a controversial claim if ever there was one!
Queen 'sought advice' on sacking Prime Minister, source claims
The Queen sought advice on the circumstances in which she could sack a prime minister ahead of last week’s incendiary Supreme Court ruling, i has been told.inews.co.uk
The Queen sought advice on the circumstances in which she could sack a prime minister ahead of Tuesday’s incendiary Supreme Court ruling, i has been told.
A source claims that the monarch asked her aides for the first time for clarification on just when and how she could dismiss a prime minister who refuses to step aside.
The alleged consultations reinforce suggestions that the monarch and her most senior aides had deep concerns about Boris Johnson’s decision to prorogue Parliament, even before the country’s most senior court was asked to declare the move unlawful.
It was reported on Sunday that Mr Johnson phoned the Queen to personally apologise for the embarrassment caused by the crushing Supreme Court ruling that he had acted unlawfully when he advised the monarch to suspend Parliament for five weeks - advice which she was obliged to accept.
Quid nunc?
Generally speaking that would be true. But following that, the next question begged, is it is plausible?. Remember the Queen will already have been appraised of the Scottish courts decision and the REASON that the London court gave for their non decision. The Palace would have been highly embarrassed by the turn of events. One cannot blame the Queen for the prorogation decision, but perhaps she realises she was too hasty in appointing BJ.as PM. I have alluded to that point before. In every democratic chamber, the First Minister is selected by a majority of the members.
Poor Boris some might say
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7521323/Blow-Boris-Johnson-voters-say-HALF-capable-prime-minister-Theresa-May.html
Blow for Boris Johnson as voters say he is HALF as capable a prime minister as Theresa May was at the same time in her premiership and while more than half want an election this year most believe he cannot win a majority
This will make his day too!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7521323/Blow-Boris-Johnson-voters-say-HALF-capable-prime-minister-Theresa-May.html
Blow for Boris Johnson as voters say he is HALF as capable a prime minister as Theresa May was at the same time in her premiership and while more than half want an election this year most believe he cannot win a majority
- Only 36 per cent thought that Mr Johnson was equipped to be the UK leader
- Compared to 46 per cent for Theresa May at the same time in her premiership
- Poll was carried out by Ipsos Mori for the Evening Standard and released today
- But it was conducted BEFORE the recent raft of scandals surrounding the PM
This will make his day too!
That was dated 00:20 01/10/2019 - so less than five hours to go. Still waiting.
Yup, it's the technology solution that the EU rejected when Theresa May was PM.
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The local council have published one of those Get Ready for Brexit adds on Facebook. This has sparked a small war of words, which I have kept well clear of. However, one leave supporter has clarified for me what they expect to achieve from Brexit. Here it is:
All scare mongering so when we have to vote in gen election. What folk forget is EU are shitting themselfs as they know many other countrys will follow. Cutting them right out of any deals n loosening free revenue. Esenttually cutting out the middle man.
Once free from them we can strike up inderpendint deals with diff countrys which will profit everyone and there queing up to kick start these deals
How did this person manage to by-pass the autocorrect so effectively?
All scare mongering so when we have to vote in gen election. What folk forget is EU are shitting themselfs as they know many other countrys will follow. Cutting them right out of any deals n loosening free revenue. Esenttually cutting out the middle man.
Once free from them we can strike up inderpendint deals with diff countrys which will profit everyone and there queing up to kick start these deals
How did this person manage to by-pass the autocorrect so effectively?
I suspect it was the two border one, until its evident flaws were flagged up. . We now have the ridiculous spectacle of our Leo, congratulating BJ for NOT supporting a moth eaten crazy notion, which as far as we can tell came from Whitehall!. Leo , Diplomacy is your middle name. .. you are worth the money, I could not do that with a straight face..
Then we have the Daily Mail suggesting that BJ has a brilliant plan, which he will share with the EU, but if the EU divulge it, it will be withdrawn. Sorry the EU does not play those kind of games..
Least there be confusion ..this revised plan has to be parsed by 27 different countries within the next two weeks.
You could not make this up .
So now we kind of have it.
1. The DUP to agree to a 2 year NI only backstop arrangement
2. The Rest of UK to agree to alignment for the two years...hence no need for borders over two years
3. The DUP or more properly Stormont to hold some kind of veto post these two years.
4. Fancy technology to make up the difference after these 2 years.
Result.. worth nothing except 2 years of confusion. The Irish view is that 2 years or in fact any time limited,backstop arrangement is useless. A performance type backstop, with Key Performance Indicators and even international adjudication might be OK, but this is nothing. After the 2 years, we end up with a double border and a 10 mile no mans land, where currently 250,000 people live. (But since few of these are DUP they obviously do not matter).
Of course the people of NI have not been consulted..nor of course the Irish Government ,who act as their guarantors. .
This will not fly.
1. The DUP to agree to a 2 year NI only backstop arrangement
2. The Rest of UK to agree to alignment for the two years...hence no need for borders over two years
3. The DUP or more properly Stormont to hold some kind of veto post these two years.
4. Fancy technology to make up the difference after these 2 years.
Result.. worth nothing except 2 years of confusion. The Irish view is that 2 years or in fact any time limited,backstop arrangement is useless. A performance type backstop, with Key Performance Indicators and even international adjudication might be OK, but this is nothing. After the 2 years, we end up with a double border and a 10 mile no mans land, where currently 250,000 people live. (But since few of these are DUP they obviously do not matter).
Of course the people of NI have not been consulted..nor of course the Irish Government ,who act as their guarantors. .
This will not fly.
The Express are into Conspiracy theories today
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Remainers set to launch Brexit plot to impeach Boris – and replace him with Hammond
CABINET ministers are braced for an attempt to “impeach” Boris Johnson and install a pro-Brussels Tory in Number 10, a senior Government source has told the Daily Express. They fear Remainer MPs are preparing a legal challenge to force the Prime Minister out of Downing Street in a new bid to block the UK’s scheduled departure from the EU on October 31.
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Remainers set to launch Brexit plot to impeach Boris – and replace him with Hammond
CABINET ministers are braced for an attempt to “impeach” Boris Johnson and install a pro-Brussels Tory in Number 10, a senior Government source has told the Daily Express. They fear Remainer MPs are preparing a legal challenge to force the Prime Minister out of Downing Street in a new bid to block the UK’s scheduled departure from the EU on October 31.
The express prefers simply lying when it suits.
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Brexit breakthrough as France and Germany cave on backstop - Boris set for major victory
EUROPEAN UNION governments are considering offering Boris Johnson a time-limit to the controversial Northern Ireland backstop.
And notes well down in the spiel
"But EU leaders have been hesitant in offering the compromise because of Leo Varadkar’s opposition to the plan. "
So much for a Breakthrough!
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Brexit breakthrough as France and Germany cave on backstop - Boris set for major victory
EUROPEAN UNION governments are considering offering Boris Johnson a time-limit to the controversial Northern Ireland backstop.
And notes well down in the spiel
"But EU leaders have been hesitant in offering the compromise because of Leo Varadkar’s opposition to the plan. "
So much for a Breakthrough!
there may be some truth in that.
Bojo wants to push for no deal because there simply isn't a good deal available.
it is the only way for the conservatives to leave because no deal brexit nullifies their promises to brexit voters.
Whichever way you look at it,
The only logical thing to do is be honest with the Public
Cancel Article 50, or ask for an extension to renegotiate a deal or put May's deal to a referendum