Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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But did you?. The guys in the Westminster office claim to have tools to stop it.
If it were so easy to do so, isn't it surprising it hasn't yet reached some far greater number by now?

If it were so easy to do so, isn't it surprising that some of the other well-publicised petitions failed to get anything like the support many expected them to?
 

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Are you a Brexit supporter? argue out of this one if you can


Hilarious isn't it?
We don't need to argue anything here. You bring up two unrelated pieces of data - link them with your own theory - and assume there is a case to answer.
 

OxygenJames

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But you didn't get a result through democratic means it was polluted by illegal means
In a way it's utterly pointless arguing with OG. His mind can not accept that his side lost. He has to blame something other than the paucity of his own arguments and the failure of the campaign.

So what does he blame?

Who knows with him. Its the Russians one week, Facebook and Google the next - the following it will be The John Smith Institute. Anything but look at the simple facts which is in a straight out public argument - the position he now thinks is right - lost the case and the vote.

This is his failure - and he defends against this almost continually.
 
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Again I am not privy to the tools they use, but basically any package of data sent on the internet can be traced back to the original node... It has to be, provided there is a will. Yes there are spoofing software and so called encryption sites, but their existence can be determined even if the path cannot be back negotiated through them.
However the equivalence of the numbers is unimportant, . The role of the petition was to elicit a response from the HoC, and once it did,there were no more names.
The key one was the vote last week.

You simply had to have a unique email address. It would be simple for a Russian troll factory or an Indian call centre to do a hundred thousand votes in an hour or two.

The difference is the Russians wouldn’t charge you.
 
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You simply had to have a unique email address. It would be simple for a Russian troll factory or an Indian call centre to do a hundred thousand votes in an hour or two.

The difference is the Russians wouldn’t charge you.
Each vote had to be verified by a response to an email sent after voting, before being added to the total.

Your call centre would struggle to do that.
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Fingers

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those who did not want May's deal did not want nor need May any longer.
She has done the job they wanted from her: the withdrawal agreement.
Now they know what they need to know, they simply got rid of her to seize power from the tory moderates.
They may as well organise indicative votes in the summer. It's quite likely that they will agree on Canada+, just leave with no deal on October 31, wait until the EU agrees an FTA along the line of Canada+, resurrect the WA but this time with a 'technological solution' to the NI border, ie a fudge, do everything online and ignore a small number of fraudsters.

I would say the road takes a different path. New Tory PM comes in. Cannot get the EU to budge so Parliament refuse to pass no deal. G.E ensues. Labour say they will have a second referendum on their manifesto. The Lib Dem’s wet their knickers and agree a coalition, SNP show an ankle too. Johnson, if it is he will beat the moron that is Corbyn but loses against the coalition.

We stay in the Eu but lose the union and probably have a new edition of the troubles in Ireland.

Best result is Scotland stay in but their referendum is inevitable with Corbyn.
 
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Fingers

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Each vote had to be verified by a response to an email sent after voting, before being added to the total.

Your call centre would struggle to do that.
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It really wouldn’t.

Its a simple line of code. You didn’t have to do a am I robot test. Just click yes.
 

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Who would be a political sketch writer? - No sooner do you write your column than the numbers change.

The afternoon after the night before. The Tories had mysteriously chosen not to celebrate their support almost reaching double figures. Instead, Theresa May had posted a desultory tweet about the results being a bit disappointing – since Friday she had better things to do with her life rather than defend her failures – while the nine MPs who had declared their intention to replace her were falling out over who was the best unifying candidate.
 
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In a way it's utterly pointless arguing with OG. His mind can not accept that his side lost. He has to blame something other than the paucity of his own arguments and the failure of the campaign.

So what does he blame?

Who knows with him. Its the Russians one week, Facebook and Google the next - the following it will be The John Smith Institute. Anything but look at the simple facts which is in a straight out public argument - the position he now thinks is right - lost the case and the vote.

This is his failure - and he defends against this almost continually.

Stick the boring old bluffer on ignore. You really won’t regret it.
 

oldgroaner

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In a way it's utterly pointless arguing with OG. His mind can not accept that his side lost. He has to blame something other than the paucity of his own arguments and the failure of the campaign.

So what does he blame?

Who knows with him. Its the Russians one week, Facebook and Google the next - the following it will be The John Smith Institute. Anything but look at the simple facts which is in a straight out public argument - the position he now thinks is right - lost the case and the vote.

This is his failure - and he defends against this almost continually.
Can you really be the mug you pretend to be? even when confronted with facts your ignorance is completely unaffected, and here you go again still supporting the result of a Referendum actually proven in court to be obtained by criminal activity.
Why are you in favour of crime?
The simple fact is that not only was the vote illegally obtained, but enough EU living expats were excluded to make a difference.

Like the Fascist "Think tank" the Adam Smith Institute, now that is a joke, nothing more than extremists on the make with nothing in the way of policies that will help the public.
Who do I blame? you for supporting such parasites , the criminality of the leave campaign and the way the Tory Party you associate with are abusing the public for profit.

This is no failure on my part, I leave failure to you and the sorry mob of villains you regard as honest politicians.

They are pretty much at rock bottom now, aren't they?
So what have you to use as ammunition to attack me with?
Tropes like
"His mind can not accept that his side lost. He has to blame something other than the paucity of his own arguments and the failure of the campaign. "
Typically juvenile when you are cornered and have nothing constructive to say
You have no arguments to put forward, do you?
No plans, nothing.
 
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oldgroaner

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Stick the boring old bluffer on ignore. You really won’t regret it.
Not much of a reasoned response, but probably the best you can do looking at your previous contributions
By all means take your own advice, after all if you are in support of Brexit you are backing an idea no one can support with other than wishful thinking.
It simply has nothing to recommend it, unless you are into self harm.
 

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If I think about, and wish for it hard enough, is there any possibility that a discarded gas cooker will fall out of the sky and land in Nicola Sturgeon’s stupid dwarf carcass?
 

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