Brexit, for once some facts.

Izzyekerslike

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You seem to have messed up this post, what I think is your comment placed within Old Groaner's quotation.
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Ill help with that post
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And now the madwoman is going right over the edge of reason
I don't believe what you have just stated and you need to withdraw your idiotic comment that our British troops are no better than the SS. The comment is disgraceful and untrue. If you do not withdraw it and remove the posting I intend to circulate it on Facebook and then woe betide you!
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Theresa May vows to protect troops from 'legal witch hunt' by opting out of European human rights rules"
So now we can get away with a complete disregard for any attempt at the "civilised" use of force?
Shooting civilians is an Atrocity?certainly no problem go right ahead.
Insanity.
Lower and lower we go, now our soldiers will be free to murder and torture at will.
No better than the SS
This is a hypothetical view of a possible situation.
Are you able to understand that?
Now then, perhaps you should read my post again, and attempt to understand it before making childish threats?.
I did NOT say our soldiers are no better than the SS did I?
Are you going to post your lie on Facebook?
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I don't believe what you have just stated and you need to withdraw your idiotic comment that our British troops are no better than the SS.
If you do not withdraw it and remove the posting I intend to circulate it on Facebook and then woe betide you! "

No my friend, you are the one who needs to withdraw that comment as it is a BLATANT LIE that you have made up.
I didn't say that about our troops, but you have stated that I did.
If you cannot understand the difference, why are you posting and making threats?
If I was you I would tender an apology immediately.
Or if you prefer I will post it on facebook myself and refer to your comment and attribute it to you regarding my posting?
FROM YOUR POST!
So now we can get away with a complete disregard for any attempt at the "civilised" use of force?
Shooting civilians is an Atrocity?certainly no problem go right ahead.
Insanity.
Lower and lower we go, now our soldiers will be free to murder and torture at will.
No better than the SS
 

oldgroaner

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FROM YOUR POST!
So now we can get away with a complete disregard for any attempt at the "civilised" use of force?
Shooting civilians is an Atrocity?certainly no problem go right ahead.
Insanity.
Lower and lower we go, now our soldiers will be free to murder and torture at will.
No better than the SS
And you still don't understand the difference?
Quite clearly it means they are not like the ss now, and the reason is because there exist necessary organisations and laws ensuring they adhere to standards of behaviour.
It is a grave error to remove or reduce this level of control which limits the level of abuse taking place and leads
Inevitably to a decline in behaviour.
Do you imagine that the courts prosecute servicemen or even take on cases where there is no supporting evidence?
Or do you think that the £27 million pounds the ministry of defence paid to settle cases out of court were just gifts?
The were to save the government political embarrassment and that is the reason they want rid of the EU human rights court.
Do you understand now?
Abuses of human rights need to be done at an international level as local national governments have a history of covering up what is going on.

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Kudoscycles

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The government still don't have a plan for Brexit....May visited the Danish prime minister ,he said after the visit that she doesn't know what she wants from Brexit.
Davis arrogantly said that he would get what we want and the EU would not punish us because we could punish them more....such an arrogant negotiation attitude will not work with Merkel and must have hardened her response to the UK getting a fair deal, he is not a good negotiator.
Hammond has repeatedly said that we must retain access to the single market and bank passporting,Merkel is adamant that we will only get that if we allow free movement of people,but Davis seems to consider that the EU will give us both market access and the ability to control immigration. I see a situation where Hammond will find his position untenable and resign,that is if May doesn't sack him first.
Parliament must have a vote on the single market before May triggers Article 50,so that we know the parameters of their negotiations but May and Co are determined not to give parliament a vote on this because they know they will probably lose that vote and that will force us in the direction of soft Brexit.
This is all becoming a nightmare,did Leavers realise what the bigger picture of that Leave vote,are there Leavers who regret the journey that we have entered into.?
KudosDave
 
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trex

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Mrs May does not have a mandate nor a manifesto and she seems frightened of the kamikaze tory brexiteers. Let's wait for the vote on Wednesday, we'll see if the remainers regroup well enough.
 

oldgroaner

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Perhaps may is deliberately provoking a response against hard brexit, thus avoiding herself carrying the blame intended for the three stooges?
After all when that becomes unachievable she has the perfect reason to ditch brexit and blame the parliamentary decision.
Perhaps there is a plan after all and it is to ditch brexit at the first opportunity.

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trex

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Perhaps. Or Mrs May is a tad naive.
 
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Kudoscycles

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Perhaps may is deliberately provoking a response against hard brexit, thus avoiding herself carrying the blame intended for the three stooges?
After all when that becomes unachievable she has the perfect reason to ditch brexit and blame the parliamentary decision.
Perhaps there is a plan after all and it is to ditch brexit at the first opportunity.

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She is working very hard at something she intends to ditch later.
I think she is impressed that Brexit allows her to cross party boundaries,she knows that there are a lot of xenophobic people in the UK,which she has set herself up to champion,hence Rudds naming and shaming speech.
She is positioning herself in a completely new position in UK politics,expanding the middle ground to cover the right and the left,Brexit allows her to achieve this.
However,when you set yourself in this position based upon a single project,you are very vulnerable.....if that project fails then May fails. Hence why she is determined to keep any aspect of the negotiations away from parliament and has 3 stooges that she thinks she can control....she is a single minded control freak.
She thought that she had surrounded herself by those loyal to her and there are certainly those who tow the May line but the problem she has is Hammond.
Hammond is not comfortable with leaving the single market/bank passporting,he realises this will destroy our economy and the resultant tax take,after all he needs to balance our books.
I can see a situation where Hammond joins with the Osborne/Milliband/Soubry lobby,not formally but supporting them from the sidelines,that is very dangerous for May and in direct contradiction of her Brexit plan.
The frightening thing is that May and especially Davis don't care if their plan wrecks our country,just as long as they keep championing the expanded xenophobia and assure a success at the next GE.
Liam Fox is an idiot....he says,don't worry about our trade with the EU we can make it up with free trade deals with China and India....a free trade deal with those countries will be the worst thing we can achieve,there is almost nothing that we can sell to China but they will flood the UK with cheap goods.
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trex

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Mrs May likes to think she could have her cake and eat it.
She wants to use brexit to implement her 'statist' vision of Britain. Brexit is a necessary step, so she is not for going back.
while she is very careful to let the door ajar to the remainer MPs, she allies herself with the hard core brexiteers. They are kamikaze after being kept for years in the wild, she definitely runs the risk of them pulling her along into a suicide mission. Her problem is simple: this country is still very much ruled by its 'elite' and while brexit enjoys wide democratic support, there is a huge headcount deficit of brexit elite.
 
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shemozzle999

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and KTM Ambassadors will be offered cheap bikes, so you already have a way around any future EU trade barriers.
 

oldgroaner

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Which will not help export from here into the EU surely? Do explain how this will help?

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Kudoscycles

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The problem now is that the pound has fallen in value so much that it's not prudent to buy product at this level because the resultant retail prices are not competitive. We don't know whether the government will see sense,ditch the idea of quitting the single market and the pound return to a more normal average.
The discussion and vote in parliament tomorrow will be interesting,although I doubt May will be deflected from her current suicide path.
Kudos is so busy at the moment,busier than we would expect at what is normally a quiet time of the year for bike sales. One of our best selling e-bikes is the Kudos Tornado,priced at £1095.00,if that bike had to be replaced by new stock the price would have to be close to £1300.00,higher price than the higher spec Kudos Arriba....the Tornado will soon run out of stock,it will not be replenished.
This uncertainty is prevalent in a lot of businesses at the moment.
KudosDave
 

oldgroaner

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Must be all those EU buyers with 20% more buying power snapping up the UK bargains;)
Except they haven't of course! Nice try no matter how you spin it out doesn't work to our advantage long term

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trex

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Mrs May has conceeded to parliament having a debate.
The Pound stabilizes at $1.22
 

trex

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can't wait for the post truth politics of the brexiters to start unravelling.
 

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