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Evidence against the moon landings?

Nonsense.
Seems 3 people dont understand the word evidence.
Both parties in any trial provide evidence. The losing party still provided evidence even if proved wrong, inept, false or made up doesnt change the fact it was evidence.
Its what we all do. Examine evidence from both sides and decide which we believe true.
 

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Both parties in any trial provide evidence. The losing party still provided evidence even if proved wrong, inept, false or made up doesnt change the fact it was evidence.
Not so, if the offered evidence is invalidated, it ceases to be evidence. Here's the definition of the word evidence:

"the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid."

Ergo, if truth and validity do not exist, the definition has not been met.
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I am not going to refer to any policies or personalities, but to the following statement....
"Personally cant see an end to this charade, whatever we get will be a weak and split government. Weak governments cant make decisions, a phenomenon which has plagued Italy on and off for years. We, d be better making a few wrong but strong decisions rather than drifting as we are now, and for foreseeable future. "
I must disagree. The primary function of an elected Western Government is to control the permanent government..e.g the civil service, the police,the court process. Having a representative government , constantly looking over its shoulder at a strong opposition,ensures that this happens. The major flaw in both the UK and now US systems is this mantra of strong binary divide. The more European model of PR ensures that the representatives are actually representive. It drives a more central consensus model, where laws that are obviously in the broad public interest are enacted,and those for narrow sectional interest..like tax cuts and rises are not.
 

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Here's something else, look closely at the photo vfr posted of the lander's foot pad. In that close-up we see one of the feet covered in gold foil to protect it from the heat, but what's that black stuff stuck around the edge on one side that looks like gaffer tape ?
Well it is tape, it's called Kapton and it's been painted with Pyromark high temperature paint. The reason why it's there is because the crew requested it. The Lunar Module had probes sticking out below the foot pads to detect when the vehicle was just above the moon's surface at which point the engines would cut off and it would drop to the surface. The astronauts weren't to keen on walloping onto something that hard, how could they be sure they wouldn't sink straight in. So they requested the motors keep burning right until it touched down thus ensuring a softer landing, however the concern was hot dust and gasses bouncing back from the surface could damage the landing pads hence the extra protective tape and paint. Note where it's been applied inside of the pad when it would be exposed to greatest heat.
We have to ask ourselves then if that's a fake picture what would be the purpose of putting on the extra protective covering ? So it's a fake footpad covered with fake Iconel, with fake Kapton tape painted over with fake Pyromark all to make a fake image look real...hardly likely is it. I love a good conspiracy theory, Lady Di, JFK there's a million of them out there. The moon landing hoax is easy to debunk.
Alright then, I have to come clean. I was abducted by Aliens and taken to the base on the backside of the moon. They told me all about how NASA faked the moon landings. They heard Kennedy say that they were going to go to the Moon, so they sent a visitation to him and told him what would happen if they invaded their peaceful unpolluted planet. Do you remember when strange flying objects were seen over the nuclear missile silos and shut them down?

And, in case you think that's fiction, there's a lot more truth in it than most of what's been written in this thread.

PS The aliens told me that Brexit was a good thing and that political correctness and social justice warriors will fizzle out within two years. National identity and freedom of speech will prevail.
 
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Alright then, I have to come clean. I was abducted by Aliens and taken to the base on the backside of the moon. They told me all about how NASA faked the moon landings. They heard Kennedy say that they were going to go to the Moon, so they sent a visitation to him and told him what would happen if they invaded their peaceful unpolluted planet. Do you remember when strange flying objects were seen over the nuclear missile silos and shut them down?

And, in case you think that's fiction, there's a lot more truth in it than most of what's been written in this thread.

PS The aliens told me that Brexit was a good thing and that political correctness and social justice warriors will fizzle out within two years. National identity and freedom of speech will prevail.
Ha so!! There was method to your madness not as we were beginning to suspect madness to your method.
 
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Alright then, I have to come clean. I was abducted by Aliens and taken to the base on the backside of the moon. They told me all about how NASA faked the moon landings. They heard Kennedy say that they were going to go to the Moon, so they sent a visitation to him and told him what would happen if they invaded their peaceful unpolluted planet. Do you remember when strange flying objects were seen over the nuclear missile silos and shut them down?

And, in case you think that's fiction, there's a lot more truth in it than most of what's been written in this thread.

PS The aliens told me that Brexit was a good thing and that political correctness and social justice warriors will fizzle out within two years. National identity and freedom of speech will prevail.
Love it...
 

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Not so, if the offered evidence is invalidated, it ceases to be evidence. Here's the definition of the word evidence:

"the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid."

Ergo, it truth and validity do not exist, the definition has not been met.
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Rubbish.
My wifes car has evidence its a 1.8...Its got a badge in back which says so. Look under bonnet and its actually a 3.2.(3.2s are nicked loads more, 1.8s generally left alone)
The "false" evidence has worked fine.
The evidence its a 1.8 is still evidence to that wrong assumption.
Just because you happen to mis believe certain evidence does not change fact its evidence.
 
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Now I think you are teasing us. You know better than that.
That was in reply to where I said that there was pressure under the module. I think you need to have a look at this because it seems that you don't understand what pressure is. The module would not be able to decelerate without pressure on it, which naturally needs to be underneath it to decelerate it.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=definition+of+pressure&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz-oDh_-DhAhVmTBUIHVHfB-UQ_AUICSgA&biw=1707&bih=818&dpr=2.25
 

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Rubbish.
My wifes car has evidence its a 1.8...Its got a badge in back which says so. Look under bonnet and its actually a 3.2.(3.2s are nicked loads more, 1.8s generally left alone)
The "false" evidence has worked fine.
The evidence its a 1.8 is still evidence to that wrong assumption.
Just because you happen to mis believe certain evidence does not change fact its evidence.
More proof if it was needed of your difficulty with understanding the English language.

I've given you the definition of the word evidence, I'm sorry for you that you cannot understand it.
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And, in case you think that's fiction, there's a lot more truth in it than most of what's been written in this thread.
That is of course only true after you came on! :cool:
And after all ,you are only present because you don't like the opinions being expressed here and hope to hog the limelight and disrupt the debate.
You're not the first and no doubt won't be the last.
 
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That was in reply to where I said that there was pressure under the module. I think you need to have a look at this because it seems that you don't understand what pressure is. The module would not be able to decelerate without pressure on it, which naturally needs to be underneath it to decelerate it.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=definition+of+pressure&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiz-oDh_-DhAhVmTBUIHVHfB-UQ_AUICSgA&biw=1707&bih=818&dpr=2.25
That is wrong by such a massive margin that I don’t know how to even begin correcting you.

I’ll try to make a start by saying that the principal of gas pressure acting on the body of a space craft in order to control it does not exist in any form. All forces on a space craft to to control the six axis of freedom are generated by the acceleration of mass, usually gasses. Jet engines work on the same mass acceleration principle, they accelerate a mass of air over the distance between the intake and exhaust nozzle. Of course they cease to work in a vacuum, so rocket motors with their own supply of oxidisation agents are used. But the idea of accelerating a mass stays the same.

If what you are saying were correct, it would be possible to lift a wardrobe by climbing inside it and jumping up and down. :)
 

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Now Farage begins to show what he really stands for in the Telegraph
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Nigel FarageBritons no longer just want to leave the EU - they want to smash the two-party system

Do they, or to be more correct that is what your fascist masters want isn't it?
And in the Express
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Brexit is just the beginning! Farage vows to DESTROY establishment - 'It doesn't work'
NIGEL Farage has vowed his new Brexit Party will destroy the establishment, raging the UK’s two-party system “doesn’t work”...
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So now it is openly against the UK political system as well?
This is dangerous, Farage needs to be either made to behave or proscribed, this man is a menace.
Imagine what trouble among hotheads he will cause.
That's the last thing this country needs right now.
We would all like our political situation to change, but not into a Fascist nightmare that this imbecile stands for.
Most normal people think that's a good thing. That's why they're going to vote for him. You're in denial about what's going on at the moment. The old agendas are finished. Most people have had enough of them. The Brexit vote was the start. The more the establishment has tried to deny it, the more momentum the anti-establishment movement gathers. It's now got to an overwhelming point. You're going to see something momentous in the European elections and again shortly after that in the general elections, just like what happened in Alberta yesterday. The polls showed them nearly level. The result was 63 to 24 against the old regime, which had previously had a majority of 52 to 25. Basically, the old social justice and globalisation regime got annihilated. Nobody wants that anymore. Time to move on. Sorry for your bad news. I hope it doesn't spoil your Easter day (that's if you're allowed to celebrate it).
 
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That is of course only true after you came on! :cool:
And after all ,you are only present because you don't like the opinions being expressed here and hope to hog the limelight and disrupt the debate.
You're not the first and no doubt won't be the last.
That's completely wrong. I love all the opinions here. Why else would I be here? When have I ever tried to shut them up?

You know that every time you do a good belly laugh, it extends your life? I have a lot to thank you guys for. Please don't stop. If we keep this going, I should be able to live past 100.
 
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Lord Nigel tweeted this
[B]Nigel Farage[/B]‏Verified account @[B]Nigel_Farage[/B]
Nigel Farage Retweeted Guardian politics
Tom Watson has broken his promises to the people. The second referendum that he backs is a total insult to 5 million Brexit Labour voters. I now intend to wholeheartedly target Labour lies and dishonesty in the weeks ahead.

and I responded
[B]oldgroaner[/B]‏ @[B]oldgroaner[/B] now
Replying to @[B]Nigel_Farage[/B]

What a cowardly view that is, they should be pleased to be given a second chance to affirm their support and even more voters joining the cause. The truth is you know leave will lose, hence your fear. You called for a second referendum if your side lost, remember?
 
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Most normal people think that's a good thing. That's why they're going to vote for him. You're in denial about what's going on at the moment. The old agendas are finished. Most people have had enough of them. the Brexit vote was the start. The more the establishment has tried to deny it, the more momentum the anti-establishment movement gathers. it's now got to an overwhelming point. You're going to see something momentous in the European elections and again shortly after that in the general elections, just like what happened in Alberta yesterday. The polls showed them nearly level. The result was 63 to 24 against the old regime, which had previously had a majority of 52 to 25. Basically, the old social justice and globalisation regime got annihilated. Nobody wants that anymore. Time to move on. sorry for your bad news. I hope it doesn't spoil your Easter day (that's if you're allowed to celebrate it).
You haven't been reading my posts, just seeing what you want to as many do.
I'm all or change, but for the better not to end up with corporate right wing power running the country and violence in the streets.
You won't spoil my Easter Day, but at last you have made the effort to contribute.
 
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That's completely wrong. I love all the opinions here. Why else would I be here? When have I ever tried to shut them up?

You know that every time you do a good belly laugh, it extends your life? I have a lot to thank you guys for. Please don't stop. If we keep this going, I should be able to live past 100.
The diversion you have been providing with your nonsense is a pretty standard technique, it simply makes you look foolish and obstructive,and comments that show your scorn for the opinions expressed is another one.
Fortunately we suffer fools gladly so keep laughing, and please engage in the debate when you have finished prancing and gamboling about.
 
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The ascent stage was (according to Wiki) just 4700 kg. So considerably less than 3 tons of thrust required. If I have picked up the right bits, just over half that.
You're going to kick yourself!
Here goes. Brace yourself in case it hurts.
4700kg is 4.7 metric tons or 5.18 imperial tons. I think that's a bit more than 3 tons!

Anyway, according to Wiki, the launch mass of the module was 16,400 kg . Maybe it's the difference in weight between when on Earth and the Moon, which is about a factor of 6.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Lunar_Module
 
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Seems 3 people dont understand the word evidence.
Both parties in any trial provide evidence. The losing party still provided evidence even if proved wrong, inept, false or made up doesnt change the fact it was evidence.
Its what we all do. Examine evidence from both sides and decide which we believe true.
Good point, well presented.
 
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That is wrong by such a massive margin that I don’t know how to even begin correcting you.

I’ll try to make a start by saying that the principal of gas pressure acting on the body of a space craft in order to control it does not exist in any form. All forces on a space craft to to control the six axis of freedom are generated by the acceleration of mass, usually gasses. Jet engines work on the same mass acceleration principle, they accelerate a mass of air over the distance between the intake and exhaust nozzle. Of course they cease to work in a vacuum, so rocket motors with their own supply of oxidisation agents are used. But the idea of accelerating a mass stays the same.

If what you are saying were correct, it would be possible to lift a wardrobe by climbing inside it and jumping up and down. :)
Isn't it the case that any pressure behind a jet or rocket engine reduces the velocity of the expelled mass and renders it less efficient than in a vacuum? (Not that a jet can operate in a vacuum.)
 
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I can only hope you are right but I doubt that very much
Well..... think about it. Imagine you're naturally a UKIP kind of person and they had a vote to say if we should leave the EU - and the vote came out to leave.

And then nothing happens.

You're going to be well annoyed - to put it mildly.

And now imagine UKIP implodes. Which way are you going to go? Are you going to move towards the centre and the Torys? Hardly. Will you vote Labour? With their record on Brexit no way.

The only way is further right. But what is there out there? Weird f***ed up parties that promote violence.

Then Farage comes along with his 'Brexit' party. Now you're back on home ground.

No need to go join the loonie fringe anymore.
 
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