Brexit, for once some facts.

[vfr400]

I've just been looking at Tommy Robinson's news website. He's asking his followers to vote on which district he should stand! London is winning followed by North West, but my guess would be Yorkshire will win. The press are going to have a field day.

 

[Fingers]

I had no idea this had happened.

I can believe it.

I can also believe it was totally unnecessary.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/12/britain-amritsar-massacre-centenary-1919-india

It’s the sort of thing Churchill and his generation are lauded for. In a
Modern sense Tories like Johnson and Cameron and the foetus Osborne would do the same. Hence the self preservation of their party over country for Brexit.

May wouldn’t do this. She isn’t in the club. She’s a patsy. That’s why she always looks so clueless.

I personally don’t see Churchill as a great. He made too many wrong and bad decisions. I have respect for him for standing up to his own mps. Wasn’t he a liberal when Chamberlain came back with his bit of paper? Point is he was labour, Whig (sic) I know etc when it suited him He Was however the right man in the right place at that time. Appeasement was not an option.

But I don’t think it was his skill that won the war. It was others sacrifice. And the United States entry.

It was his call that killed 20million Russians after agreeing for a third time a plan that would save them. He is why Russians to this day, normal, ordinary Russians hate the British. And furthermore set them on their path of isolation.

Maybe he was USs puppet.

But he was a war criminal.

Anyway. All I’m saying is this sort of stuff needs highlighting and teaching.

Our supposed betters make mistakes everyday.

It goes back to, and I’m sorry but @whoosh saying you can’t have the plebs voting in a referendum. In a result a they live in.

I am tired of MPs saying they are scared. I want them to implement the will of the people. Don’t ask if you can’t do it.

That is their job. The electorate is Bruce Wayne. The MPs should be Alfred.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LstIgtkEe5

I tried to link the clip. But it wouldn’t. Just click on it.

 

[Fingers]

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I've just been looking at Tommy Robinson's news website. He's asking his followers to vote on which district he should stand! London is winning followed by North West, but my guess would be Yorkshire will win. The press are going to have a field day.

Honestly mate.

I don’t know how old you are. Or even what you believe.


Although I’m guessing you are between 27and 37 (no one above this age watches you tube videos and treats them like fact, unless it’s a step by step guide to building something or uses them as a tool to quietens the kinder, sorry but it’s true) you are right to the current Tory party. Although at this stage you do not see the mainstream parties as anything you can relate too. University educated but doesn’t have a job he thinks is worthy of his intelligence.

You are clearly intelligent.

But you see Trump as a start to end the persecution of white guys.
You have no problem with gays. But this gender fluid **** is grinding your gears. You want to work in graphic design. Or maybe marketing/advertising. You hate your sales job.

Tommy Robinson or whatever he calls himself isn’t your leader. You are. I would argue. Zlatan. whoosh apart there hasn’t been a better independent thinker than you


Do you know what NF is or BNP? Do you understand that he found it difficult to operate under Nick Griffin? Then he found it difficult to operate under that woman from Britain First. Then that Muslim guy from the quilliam organisation?

He is very manipulating.

I can tell you there is no conspiracy at the bbc. I can even prove it.

 

[Danidl]

I'll tell you what. If Farage and Tommy Robinson are sitting in the EU parliament, I'm pretty sure that Juncker and his crew will suddenly find a few concessions that will facilitate a quick exit for UK.

No. No. . Firstly Junkers is coming to the end of his term so it will not be him. Even Farage is bound by the normal rules of etiquette,or his microphone gets switched off ,the same would be the case for this multivariate individual,to whom you appear to have an attachment.

 

[oldgroaner]

You're just ranting again. Give us some facts.

You know full well that you were referring to all the Nigel Farage voters in general as a rabble, otherwise you would have used a term like "some of them are". You've given the game away. Anybody can see what you think of football supporters. It's a sort of bigoted, classist thing when you put all footballers into the same category of drunk and disorderly yobs or is it just the football supporters that vote for Farage? I would expect that most football supporters are nice responsible people with valid opinions, but, of course, that can't be true for you because some of them vote for Nigel Farage!

This approach you have of seeing what you want to rather than what is there doesn't cut the mustard, sorry unless you can post on topic and not distort and read what you want into others posts, and desist from making wild and ill informed assumptions, I shall not respond.

 

[oldgroaner]

This approach you have of seeing what you want to rather than what is there doesn't cut the mustard, sorry unless you can post on topic and not distort and read what you want into others posts, and desist from making wild and ill informed assumptions, I shall not respond.

 

[oyster]

Nor does anybody else, but without a deal before then, it's going to happen.

I didn't mean anything about when.

 

[oyster]

I had no idea this had happened.

I can believe it.

I can also believe it was totally unnecessary.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/12/britain-amritsar-massacre-centenary-1919-india

It’s the sort of thing Churchill and his generation are lauded for. In a
Modern sense Tories like Johnson and Cameron and the foetus Osborne would do the same. Hence the self preservation of their party over country for Brexit.

May wouldn’t do this. She isn’t in the club. She’s a patsy. That’s why she always looks so clueless.

I personally don’t see Churchill as a great. He made too many wrong and bad decisions. I have respect for him for standing up to his own mps. Wasn’t he a liberal when Chamberlain came back with his bit of paper? Point is he was labour, Whig (sic) I know etc when it suited him He Was however the right man in the right place at that time. Appeasement was not an option.

But I don’t think it was his skill that won the war. It was others sacrifice. And the United States entry.

It was his call that killed 20million Russians after agreeing for a third time a plan that would save them. He is why Russians to this day, normal, ordinary Russians hate the British. And furthermore set them on their path of isolation.

Maybe he was USs puppet.

But he was a war criminal.

Anyway. All I’m saying is this sort of stuff needs highlighting and teaching.

Our supposed betters make mistakes everyday.

It goes back to, and I’m sorry but @whoosh saying you can’t have the plebs voting in a referendum. In a result a they live in.

I am tired of MPs saying they are scared. I want them to implement the will of the people. Don’t ask if you can’t do it.

That is their job. The electorate is Bruce Wayne. The MPs should be Alfred.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LstIgtkEe5

I tried to link the clip. But it wouldn’t. Just click on it.

Amritsar was the event that, when I first heard of it, made me totally re-evaluate all the propagandist "history" of the British empire.

In a book review, published in the Observer today, points out the singular reason for Churchill being lauded.

Appeasing Hitler by Tim Bouverie review – how Britain fell for a delusion

A gripping account of the nation’s greatest mistake is timely and relevant
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/apr/14/appeasing-hitler-chamberlain-churchill-road-to-war-tim-bouverie-review

 

[Woosh]

This approach you have of seeing what you want to rather than what is there doesn't cut the mustard, sorry unless you can post on topic and not distort and read what you want into others posts, and desist from making wild and ill informed assumptions, I shall not respond.

vfr400 has a point where Tommy Robinson draws a bigger crowd than Nigel Farage, albeit a different crowd. Maybe his old team at the EDL and Pegida will make May 23rd a day to remember.

 

[vfr400]

Although I’m guessing you are between 27and 37 (no one above this age watches you tube videos and treats them like fact, unless it’s a step by step guide to building something or uses them as a tool to quietens the kinder, sorry but it’s true) you are right to the current Tory party. Although at this stage you do not see the mainstream parties as anything you can relate too. University educated but doesn’t have a job he thinks is worthy of his intelligence.

You are clearly intelligent.

But you see Trump as a start to end the persecution of white guys.
You have no problem with gays. But this gender fluid **** is grinding your gears. You want to work in graphic design. Or maybe marketing/advertising. You hate your sales job.

Tommy Robinson or whatever he calls himself isn’t your leader. You are. I would argue. Zlatan. whoosh apart there hasn’t been a better independent thinker than you


Do you know what NF is or BNP? Do you understand that he found it difficult to operate under Nick Griffin? Then he found it difficult to operate under that woman from Britain First. Then that Muslim guy from the quilliam organisation?

He is very manipulating.

I can tell you there is no conspiracy at the bbc. I can even prove it.

Unfortunately, you have me mostly wrong in your description. Tommy Robinson himself said he might stand at the EU elections. Maajid Nawaz also mentioned it on Sky News and now there's a poll on his website to determine in which district he should stand. You think it's not going to happen.

Can you please explain what happened in Panodrama if there is no conspiracy at the BBC. The video evidence looks pretty compelling to me, but if you have anything that might change my mind, I'd be interested.

 

[oyster]

Tories learn arithmetic. They now know how to divide.

Europhile former cabinet minister Stephen Dorrell on Sunday announces he is defecting to the independent MPs’ group Change UK

 

[flecc]

And how many different names have you used? I can think of at least two. I'm on six different forums, all with different names. What's the big deal?

I haven't used at least two names, I use one. My online name is merely an abbreviation of my name.

Not online names. He has used five completely different first and surname pairs, clearly representing himself as five different people. Honest people don't do that.
.

 

[Danidl]

Unfortunately, you have me mostly wrong in your description. Tommy Robinson himself said he might stand at the EU elections. Maajid Nawaz also mentioned it on Sky News and now there's a poll on his website to determine in which district he should stand. You think it's not going to happen.

Can you please explain what happened in Panodrama if there is no conspiracy at the BBC. The video evidence looks pretty compelling to me, but if you have anything that might change my mind, I'd be interested.

The fan boy references to this multiple named individual is getting tiresome.
The last section on your post is pure direct fascist propaganda listing victimhood... Refer back to the U Eco .. unnamed individuals in a named organisation doing unspecified actions against ones group.

 

[oyster]

Not online names. He has used five completely different first and surname pairs, clearly representing himself as five different people. Honest people don't do that.
.

Not content with those names, he used Andrew McMaster's passport when visiting the USA.

 

[flecc]

You still have it wrong. He's not anti Muslim, so that's one thing you don't know about him.

Strange how the two ardent followers of his that I mentioned are so convinced that he is, suiting their views. They've been following his utterances for a very long time.

It's not one thing I don't know about him, I know very little about him. What I do know is that any number of independent observers, many authorities, and even many of his own followers believe he is anti Muslim. I also know I don't want to take any notice of a dishonest person who is a trouble maker at war with society.
.

 

[flecc]

I've seen another video where a reporter was walking around a city in Canada asking individuals if they would take in a refugee. All the ones shown were so compassionate and welcoming until the reporter produced an immigrant and asked them if they could take him. They each very quickly made excuses.

You really do fall for things, even such a stupid press gimmick like this.

No wonder you are impressed by "Tommy Robinson".
.

 

[flecc]

I had no idea this had happened.

I can believe it.

I can also believe it was totally unnecessary.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/12/britain-amritsar-massacre-centenary-1919-india

It’s the sort of thing Churchill and his generation are lauded for. In a
Modern sense Tories like Johnson and Cameron and the foetus Osborne would do the same. Hence the self preservation of their party over country for Brexit.

May wouldn’t do this. She isn’t in the club. She’s a patsy. That’s why she always looks so clueless.

I personally don’t see Churchill as a great. He made too many wrong and bad decisions. I have respect for him for standing up to his own mps. Wasn’t he a liberal when Chamberlain came back with his bit of paper? Point is he was labour, Whig (sic) I know etc when it suited him He Was however the right man in the right place at that time. Appeasement was not an option.

But I don’t think it was his skill that won the war. It was others sacrifice. And the United States entry.

It was his call that killed 20million Russians after agreeing for a third time a plan that would save them. He is why Russians to this day, normal, ordinary Russians hate the British. And furthermore set them on their path of isolation.

Maybe he was USs puppet.

But he was a war criminal.

Anyway. All I’m saying is this sort of stuff needs highlighting and teaching.

Our supposed betters make mistakes everyday.

It goes back to, and I’m sorry but @whoosh saying you can’t have the plebs voting in a referendum. In a result a they live in.

I am tired of MPs saying they are scared. I want them to implement the will of the people. Don’t ask if you can’t do it.

That is their job. The electorate is Bruce Wayne. The MPs should be Alfred.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LstIgtkEe5

I tried to link the clip. But it wouldn’t. Just click on it.

Great post Fingers.
.

 

[Danidl]

Well said...
"I also know I don't want to take any notice of a dishonest person who is a trouble maker at war with society." ..
Fair play flecc..

.

 

[Danidl]

I had no idea this had happened.

I can believe it.

I can also believe it was totally unnecessary.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/12/britain-amritsar-massacre-centenary-1919-india

It’s the sort of thing Churchill and his generation are lauded for. In a
Modern sense Tories like Johnson and Cameron and the foetus Osborne would do the same. Hence the self preservation of their party over country for Brexit.

May wouldn’t do this. She isn’t in the club. She’s a patsy. That’s why she always looks so clueless.

I personally don’t see Churchill as a great. He made too many wrong and bad decisions. I have respect for him for standing up to his own mps. Wasn’t he a liberal when Chamberlain came back with his bit of paper? Point is he was labour, Whig (sic) I know etc when it suited him He Was however the right man in the right place at that time. Appeasement was not an option.

But I don’t think it was his skill that won the war. It was others sacrifice. And the United States entry.

It was his call that killed 20million Russians after agreeing for a third time a plan that would save them. He is why Russians to this day, normal, ordinary Russians hate the British. And furthermore set them on their path of isolation.

Maybe he was USs puppet.

But he was a war criminal.

Anyway. All I’m saying is this sort of stuff needs highlighting and teaching.

Our supposed betters make mistakes everyday.

It goes back to, and I’m sorry but @whoosh saying you can’t have the plebs voting in a referendum. In a result a they live in.

I am tired of MPs saying they are scared. I want them to implement the will of the people. Don’t ask if you can’t do it.

That is their job. The electorate is Bruce Wayne. The MPs should be Alfred.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LstIgtkEe5

I tried to link the clip. But it wouldn’t. Just click on it.

Although the scale of the deaths was much much smaller a somewhat similar event took place in Dublin in 1920. This in Irish mythology is the first Bloody Sunday. The event occured during the war of independence between the forces of the crown and the then IRA..later called the Old IRA. On that morning the IRA wiped out a significant fraction of the Crown's intelligence branch,by targeted assignations. ..Some 15 detectives, and special branch operatives were killed.
That afternoon a match was being held in Dublin's Croke Park and a 5000 crowd expected. Crown forces, including an armoured car, showed up and in a frenzy shot into the crowd. Before the Officer in charge could restore command, about 15 people were killed.
I use the word Crown forces rather than British Army, because there were militia and short term contracts , paid from the British Govn. but not full time serving regular BA.
The effect is viewed in Irish History as being as important as the Amristar in India.
The Rugby Match between Ireland and England in 2007, which was the first match involving aany UK team played in Croke Park was the healing moment.

 

[oyster]

Not enough that they claim now to have supplied this data to the ICO, it needs, so far as is compatible with other data protection issues, to be made public.

Ukip has been ordered to fully reveal details of how it used nearly £300,000 of political data services in the run-up to the Brexit vote and the 2015 general election after the party lost a two-year legal battle to block disclosure.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/14/judge-orders-ukip-reveal-brexit-referendum-data-use