Brexit, for once some facts.

[OxygenJames]

Oh really??!!

Wait for the screams when corporation tax and vat is increased by their unelected masters and they will be called upon to fill the void left by British annual contributions!

Exciting times ahead - Leo will love it

Oh yeah - VAT - there's another thing you can't control if you're in the EU.

 

[OxygenJames]

What can you expect when he couldn't actually spell it?

You lecturing people on spelling! Ha.

 

[OxygenJames]

You're the second Leaver currently posting who hadn't a clue what the Stockholm Syndrome is.

It can only apply to a person held captive over time in total isolation from all human company other than their one captor, and only sometimes then.
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You're being picky. Tommy's version of SS is not uncommonly used.

 

[OxygenJames]

and solely for Fleccs benefit..

Stockholm syndrome is a condition that causes hostages to develop a psychological alliance with their captors as a survival strategy during captivity. ​

Yes I've seen it defined and used in that way before.

 

[OxygenJames]

The industrial Revolution only benefited the people after a huge struggle to stop the persecution of those that had to work the machines
Amazing event if for instance you were not a Child worker
hildren were preferred workers in textile mills because they worked for lower wages. Child laborers tended to be orphans, children of widows, or from the poorest families. Children were needed for low pay and nimble fingers. Child labor was not an invention of the industrial revolution, they were first exploited by their parents on the farm. Now for the first time in history children were an important factor of an economic system but at a terrible price.

Here you are have a History lesson about the wonderful benefits of the Industrial Revolution
Like Brexit, the Rich gain and the poor lose, is the case of the Industrial Revolution, with shorter and miserable lives.


Children were required to work under machines and were constantly cleaning and oiling tight areas. Young children were worked to near exhaustion, to such an extent that they would fall asleep over machines. If they were caught sleeping or showed up to work late, they were beaten and tortured by their supervisors. Cruelty and torture were enacted on children by master-manufacturers to maintain high output or to keep them awake. The children’s bodies become crooked and deformed from the work in the mills and factories. Their bodies and bones became so weak that they couldn't hold themselves up, and their backs permanently hunched.[2] Children in the mines did not have it any better. They would start working at the age of 4 or 5, both boys and girls. A large proportion of children working in the mines were under 13 and a larger proportion from ages of 13-18. Mines were not built for stability, rather, they were small and low and children were needed to crawl through them. The conditions in the mines were not remotely safe, children would often have limbs crippled, and bodies distorted or be killed. Children could get lost within the mines for days at a time. The air in the mines was injuring to breathe and could cause painful and fatal diseases...

And there is a lot more on the link below
https://webs.bcp.org/sites/vcleary/modernworldhistorytextbook/industrialrevolution/IREffects.html

Rule Britannia? not at that price.

Different times different norms. Children worked from a young age back then. To judge the past by today's standards is not a wise thing to do. Just wait for 100yrs into the future and all the terrible things we are judged to do now.....

 

[Fingers]

Please stop this!
Your previous posts provided all the evidence needed ,so
we already have a very clear understanding of your thinking and attitude.

And here you are undermining even that low estimation.

Desist your bullying ways.

 

[Zlatan]

Desist your bullying ways.

He doesnt know he, s doing it. He simply cant help it.

 

[Danidl]

Different times different norms. Children worked from a young age back then. To judge the past by today's standards is not a wise thing to do. Just wait for 100yrs into the future and all the terrible things we are judged to do now.....

Finally!!. It had to happen sometime ,but you are making sense.
In Victorian times they did not even bother naming children until they were a few years old,such was infant mortality. It is also the reason why boys were left in petticoats until nearly three years old.

 

[OxygenJames]

Damage map of Europe after no deal Brexit
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ao2zi6

We're so close now.......

 

[Zlatan]

Yes I've seen it defined and used in that way before.

Yep, its the definition I, d assumed. There have been cases where groups have developed relationships with their captors so I cant see how it must be just for those in isolation... Besides its a very pedantic, semantic argument. We all knew full well the point being made, even if it did contain an insignificant typo.

From "The great spelling debate, does it really matter"
Just scan read the above, dont slow down, just read it naturally. Quite amazing...

 

[OxygenJames]

Finally!!. It had to happen sometime ,but you are making sense.
In Victorian times they did not even bother naming children until they were a few years old,such was infant mortality. It is also the reason why boys were left in petticoats until nearly three years old.

Yup. It had to happen sometime eh?

Your boys made up for last weekend huh?

Happy days.

 

[OxygenJames]

This thread - thanks must go to Flecc for starting it all those years ago - for all its faults - I think is actually an excellent advert for free speech.

By just allowing us to say exactly what we want (apart from its refusal to print our swear words) - we battle it out and sometimes end up being nice to each other - if only for a moment.

Whereas if there was some moderator here - he would have stopped this ages ago - in which case I bet most of us would simply have stopped posting (I certainly would have).

Free speech rules OK!

 

[Zlatan]

This thread - thanks must go to Flecc for starting it all those years ago - for all its faults - I think is actually an excellent advert for free speech.

By just allowing us to say exactly what we want (apart from its refusal to print our swear words) - we battle it out and sometimes end up being nice to each other - if only for a moment.

Whereas if there was some moderator here - he would have stopped this ages ago - in which case I bet most of us would simply have stopped posting (I certainly would have).

Free speech rules OK!

I would have disagreed with that (not the Flecc bit) a few months ago but on reflection think being devoid of moderation has in long run benefitted thread.

 

[flecc]

Hmmm. I was thinking more like setting tax rates - or having to listen to the ECJ - big things. Being able to set your own budget - you know like Italy right now is going to be fined for setting spending plans outside EU rules (even though France does the same thing).

Like with Ireland's corporation tax rate - that's not up to them really is it - the EU will make them change that. Thats the sort of control I was thinking about.

These are part of the four freedoms, the pillars on which the EU is built, in this case the freedom to trade fairly. If a country doesn't accept those founding principles they don't join the EU in the first instance, so still entirely optional.

In other news - I guess Danny is happy Ireland beat Scotland in the Rugby.

Yes, Scotland threw that one away, they won't be very happy at the moment.
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[flecc]

You're being picky. Tommy's version of SS is not uncommonly used.

Not picky, since he applied it to the RoI which is impossible.

No matter how one defines the Stockholm Syndrome, the two essential elements are that the captive(s) must only have physical contact with the captor(s) over time to create the bond in isolation.

Clearly the people of the RoI have free access to some 6 millions in the whole of Ireland but no physical contact with the EU commissioners and the EU is not a person who can be bonded with. So no conditions met.

The use of the Stockholm Syndrome in connection with the RoI and the EU as Fingers and Tommie have is nonsensical.
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[Danidl]

Yup. It had to happen sometime eh?

Your boys made up for last weekend huh?

Happy days.

Rugby... No actually disappointing. The world is on about how good J. Carbury was , but it was clear that J.Schmitt had some reservations.... A player with more experience would not have allowed the second Scottish try. Now he did make amends.

 

[flecc]

Oh yeah - VAT - there's another thing you can't control if you're in the EU.

Really? How come we set it at 10%., then reduced it to 8%, later increased it to 15%, then 17.5 % and now 20%.

Sounds like control to me.

And the initial acceptance is a joining measure like the four freedoms, don't like, don't join. Simples. We joined.

And do tell me, do you really think the UK government will scrap VAT when we leave and return to purchase tax? Some hope.
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[Zlatan]

Not picky, since he applied it to the RoI which is impossible.

No matter how one defines the Stockholm Syndrome, the two essential elements are that the captive(s) must only have physical contact with the captor(s) over time to create the bond in isolation.

Clearly the people of the RoI have free access to some 6 millions in the whole of Ireland but no physical contact with the EU commissioners and the EU is not a person who can be bonded with. So no conditions met.

The use of the Stockholm Syndrome in connection with the RoI and the EU as Fingers and Tommie have is nonsensical.
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Dont agree Flecc. It is a fair analogy. Its just you see it as impossible Tommie and others see the connection.
EU beung captors, Irish captives. Yes not a perfect analogy but they rarely are.
He used the analogy to make his point. Just because you disagree with his point does not make the analogy defunct.
The more I think about it, the more apt the analogy becomes. Think it sums up the situation, even with UK, quite well.
Perhaps the syndrome has got to you, you just dont know it,hopefully yet.

 

[Fingers]

He doesnt know he, s doing it. He simply cant help it.

I've genuinely noted how you have tried to engage him. It's literally impossible.

I'm loath to use the word troll as it isn't really applicable in such a small circle of posters but he is quite vile.

I get he is old and set in his ways but at some point you have to say no. This isn't acceptable.

I believe him to be racist. His 'chip on your shoulder' says a lot.

He is depressing and deplorable.

I feel for his carers. Or the people he cares for.

A nasty man.

 

[flecc]

This thread - thanks must go to Flecc for starting it all those years ago - for all its faults - I think is actually an excellent advert for free speech.

The odd thing is that I didn't even expect a response since I was only posting about an informative radio item. That radio item on the trade agreements that Switzerland got with the EU is still available to be listened to from that post one link..

Watch out, I'll be posting another radio program link in the next few days!
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