Brexit, for once some facts.

oyster

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Has anyone who has grovelled sufficiently closely seen anything in any brexit plans which would mean reciprocal medical prescription recognition between the UK and the EU?

In the absence of anything specific, I believe that cross-border prescriptions will simply cease to be usable.

[ Many people I know use their UK prescriptions to obtain medicines from Germany and elsewhere. This reduces costs dramatically - in some cases the best part of a thousand pounds in the UK to £31 plus a few quid shipping from Germany. Many of the pharmacies used have started not to ship to the UK. ]
 
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oldgroaner

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And of course Jackass Jackass Grease Smug can always contradict himself unintentionally like this
Channel 4 News:
Theresa May made a grave mistake in not telling people from the EU straight after the vote that they were both entitled and welcome to stay after Brexit
Metro Magazine:
Rees-Mogg: EU nationals will have no right to stay
JACOB REES-MOGG claims European Union citizens living in Britain will have no more rights after Brexit than those from other countries.

The 1.7million Britons who live in other EU countries will also lose their rights when the UK leaves the union, according to the Tory Brexiteer.

‘I do not believe there should be any special terms for EU migrants,’ he wrote to Labour peer Lord Adonis. ‘Once we have left the EU there will be no legal basis to treat them differently from migrants from non-EU countries.’

 
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oldgroaner

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How about a DIY referendum if the loonies in the Asylum won't grant one?
here is the form

Something I found on the net by the way, but I rather like it.
 
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Because that’s dumb and weighted towards your preferred outcome.
That form outlines the current options. As long as you cling to the belief, that British involvement with the EU,is so important that the eu will abandon everything it has publicly stated for 3 years , that simple truth will elude you.
Note that despite the note of optimism, option 2B, is still not on the table.
For myself, i am between two minds,.. the first is to watch and secretly gloat when the uk actually crashes and burns,and when people like you , in your arrogance, find that it has all turned to ashes. Despite a number of requests you have not provided any reasons as to why Brexit is a good idea.
The second is i am conscious of the damage it will cause to a fine people, the vast majority who in their innocence do not deserve this.
I am also conscious of the folly of the Economic War , Ireland fought with England ,after independence and how it took the courage of K T Whitaker ,a civil servent,( Tommie will be pleased to note, a Co.Down pragmatist ) to bring the irish government to its senses, after 20 + years of stagnation. ..Listen to your Irish relatives .
The UK under brexit is intent on starting its own economic war,with it's bigger neighbour.
 

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was it in last night QT? there was this interesting suggestion for the second referendum:

1. leave to decide which brexit (WTO, Canada, Norway or Mrs May's).
2. voters to choose between that brexit and remain

Any brexit deal with the EU will of course include the NI backstop, it will take years for leavers to decide which brexit.
 
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oldgroaner

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My goodness! even here in Hull of all places! people are changing their minds.

Not by any means there yet, but moving in the right direction.
So much for those who maintain Brexit has gained in popularity, that is failing rapidly now.
 
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flecc

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Not by any means there yet, but moving in the right direction.
So much for those who maintain Brexit has gained in popularity, that is failing rapidly now.
Oh we're there now ok, any new referendum with Remain as an option would result in a resounding Remain win, which is why the Leavers are terrified by the prospect.

They know how much the mass of Leave voters are dispirited by events, meaning many wouldn't even bother to turn out to vote again.

They've also seen the anger and determination of the Remainers so know how high their turnout would be.

I firmly believe on the evidence that Remain's win margin would be so decisive that it would kill all talk of Brexit for decades, just as it did following the 1975 referendum.
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Fingers

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What would you suggest as a neutral wording/questions?

I don't accept there should be a second referendum so I have not given it any thought.

IF and it's a big if then the question should be a simple yes or no again.

Anything else is stupid. Although a second referendum is more stupid and dangerous and will divide this country for the rest of every life living today to the day they die.

Be careful what you wish for as one of the main reasons I voted out was because of the closer integration without any checks or balances. Would you be happy to join the Euro? Spend billions bailing out Italy, Portugal, Greece, ireland etc on a cyclical basis? Pumping billions into an army etc?

Plus you have to factor in that you are seeing the EU as your perfect model now. There are already signs that the next German chancellor will have a more Germany first approach. It's quite likely that the next president of France will either be very right wing or extremely right wing.

I didn't vote leave for today. It was for my children.
 
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That form outlines the current options. As long as you cling to the belief, that British involvement with the EU,is so important that the eu will abandon everything it has publicly stated for 3 years , that simple truth will elude you.
Note that despite the note of optimism, option 2B, is still not on the table.
For myself, i am between two minds,.. the first is to watch and secretly gloat when the uk actually crashes and burns,and when people like you , in your arrogance, find that it has all turned to ashes. Despite a number of requests you have not provided any reasons as to why Brexit is a good idea.
The second is i am conscious of the damage it will cause to a fine people, the vast majority who in their innocence do not deserve this.
I am also conscious of the folly of the Economic War , Ireland fought with England ,after independence and how it took the courage of K T Whitaker ,a civil servent,( Tommie will be pleased to note, a Co.Down pragmatist ) to bring the irish government to its senses, after 20 + years of stagnation. ..Listen to your Irish relatives .
The UK under brexit is intent on starting its own economic war,with it's bigger neighbour.

In a way I'm like you.

I want to see a hard deal and gloat as you suffer for your pathetic attempts to somehow give us a bloody nose for all we've done to you.

It never ends well for you when you try and take us on btw. Even with your big brother there is only one loser if we crash out.

Its not us. Your economy is so fragile its scary. The cost of living over in Ireland is precarious to say the say the least.
 
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Woosh

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They know how much the mass of Leave voters are dispirited by events, meaning many wouldn't even bother to turn out to vote again.
in last night's QT, a lady who voted leave said that she is so confused now that she does not know who to believe any more.
My guess she is representative of a substantial group of leave voters - those who don't see leave as a point of principle but who voted leave on the balance of what they see or saw at the time on TV.
It is likely that a large percentage of those "I don't know who to believe" won't vote this time out of fear they make the wrong choice.
 
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oldgroaner

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In a way I'm like you.

I want to see a hard deal and gloat as you suffer for your pathetic attempts to somehow give us a bloody nose for all we've done to you.

It never ends well for you when you try and take us on btw. Even with your big brother there is only one loser if we crash out.

Its not us. Your economy is so fragile its scary. The cost of living over in Ireland is precarious to say the say the least.
That has to be the strangest post you've made yet, it verges on paranoia.
Is that a personal or group attitude you articulated?

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