Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

From the Daily Mail
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We are now entering the moment of crisis': Boris calls on May to 'stand up to EU bullies' as she 'pulls the plug on AGREED Brexit deal amid fears Cabinet would reject it'

Hilarioous! "EU Bullies" says the local Kindegarten Gang leader!

 

[oldtom]

Got my moment of fame today.. interviewed as a shopper by the French Radio station Europe 1 , on the topic of BREXIT .. and the NI border.. fame at last !!.

Did you 'grass up' their countryman, 'Woosh'? Should he expect a visit from the DGSI or the DGSE soon?

Tom

 

[oyster]

You don't need brexit, you can still hide your dosh in offshore locations... Guardian reports:

Offshore wealth: loopholes found in EU anti-tax evasion rules

Foreign accounts can still be kept secret from tax authorities, says report

Will that make them cancel it?

 

[oldtom]

The tory government has set a world record! Apparently, it is the first government in the world to recognise the need to appoint a suicide minister:



Meanwhile in the big wide world beyond our shores, this woman has noticed the inconsistency in the western world, in the way news from the middle-east is described:



On the 'Brexit' front, I love these comments now that the whole 'Brexit' fiasco has sunk to new depths:



Tom

 

[oldtom]

Does this person deserve to be representing the rights of human beings? I say to the good people of west Suffolk, Get a grip of yourselves!



The story by Mike Sivier can be read here:

hancocks-lie-about-universal-credit-another-fake-statement-from-a-fake-character

Tom

 

[oldtom]

Will that make them cancel it?

Nope. Such is the depth of hatred and contempt in which the tory class hold ordinary people that nothing will be allowed to halt their 'greed is good' dogma.

It is necessary therefore, for them to pursue their 'Brexit' wet dream all the way to its disastrous conclusion. Only the poor, weak and disadvantaged will suffer as always so that the establishment may demonstrate their power.

Just as in wartime, the elite will keep themselves ensconced in their ivory towers considerably further back from the action even than the generals.

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

You don't need brexit, you can still hide your dosh in offshore locations... Guardian reports:

Offshore wealth: loopholes found in EU anti-tax evasion rules

Foreign accounts can still be kept secret from tax authorities, says report

Will that make them cancel it?

They are a bit late with this report, I pointed this out on here in post #36919 last Saturday and here it is again

"There is as usual a way round this if the Eurosceptics can win their way
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The directive applies only to member states, rather than their satellites. UK affiliated offshore financial centres will be left to decide whether to adopt some or all of the measures. The overseas territories, which include the British Virgin Islands and Bermuda, and the crown dependencies of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man still allow companies and trusts registered on their shores to operate in comparative secrecy.


In the case of a no-deal Brexit, it is unclear whether the government would still implement new EU laws, such as the fifth anti-money laundering directive.

 

[oldtom]

This is my favourite protest placard from a recent demo. It says far more than lengthy speeches:




Tom

 

[oldtom]

As if the tories aren't Ruth-less enough already…..

Ruth Davidson could resign as the leader of the Scottish Tories in a bitter row over Theresa May's Brexit strategy, it has emerged.


Ruth Davidson at the Tory conference in Birmingham.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

If anyone still cannot understand how those people that we are informed by government and their propaganda organs should be known as 'terrorists', many emanating from the middle-east, I suggest they watch last night's edition on 'catch-up' TV of the programme with Simon Reeve visiting the countries of the eastern Mediterranean. We need wonder no more!

To provide a little levity to the matter of one plank of terrorist activity, I had never thought about suicide bombing in this way before:



Tom

 

[Woosh]

what is holding up the brexit deal?

Discussions were said to have broken down after EU negotiators demanded a “backstop to the backstop” to prevent a return of a “hard border” between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

Theresa May has proposed the backstop - which would effectively keep Northern Ireland in the single market while a permanent solution is found - should apply to the whole of the UK.

However it is understood the EU is insisting it should be backed up by the original Northern Ireland-only backstop as it first proposed.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/oct/15/brexit-uk-accuses-eu-of-trying-to-impose-backstop-to-the-backstop-politics-live

So TM is seeking to hold on to UK's EU membership as long as possible.

 

[Danidl]

what is holding up the brexit deal?

Discussions were said to have broken down after EU negotiators demanded a “backstop to the backstop” to prevent a return of a “hard border” between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

Theresa May has proposed the backstop - which would effectively keep Northern Ireland in the single market while a permanent solution is found - should apply to the whole of the UK.

However it is understood the EU is insisting it should be backed up by the original Northern Ireland-only backstop as it first proposed.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/oct/15/brexit-uk-accuses-eu-of-trying-to-impose-backstop-to-the-backstop-politics-live

So TM is seeking to hold on to UK's EU membership as long as possible.

What i understand is that a draft agreement was produced last December,called the Backstop. There is and was no end date on this agreement. The next ploy by certain BREXIteers is to fantasise that this was time limited,. . It wasn't and isn't ,otherwise it would have been in the agreed text.

 

[Woosh]

What i understand is that a draft agreement was produced last December,called the Backstop. There is and was no end date on this agreement. The next ploy by certain BREXIteers is to fantasise that this was time limited,. . It wasn't and isn't ,otherwise it would have been in the agreed text.

the problem is the UK/EU border will have to go 'hard' at some time in the future where there will be sufficient divergence.
The problem is when, because that may signal the breakup of the UK. England will be on its own if it wants to leave the EU.

 

[oldgroaner]

What i understand is that a draft agreement was produced last December,called the Backstop. There is and was no end date on this agreement. The next ploy by certain BREXIteers is to fantasise that this was time limited,. . It wasn't and isn't ,otherwise it would have been in the agreed text.

The difficulty all parties face is the fact that the so called "Government" of this country simply isn't the ultimate authority, it is effectively crippled by being Blackmailed, by gangsters that make Al Capone look Charitable by comparison, though they like him are involved in depriving the nation of Tax it is due.
Agreements with this non entity are a waste of time and effort, as they abandon them almost as soon as they are made.

There seem little chance of any other result than a no deal brexit jump off the cliff, and we will have to make the blackmailers face the music afterwards.

There is an old saying about Divorce
"The best way to punish a man who steals your wife is to let him keep her"
Brexit is a sort of "Divorce " we are told

The Leave camp illegally stole a victory to gain this Divorce
Brexit is theirs,, now is the time for them to make it work or suffer the consequences.

 

[oyster]

The Royal family is quite incredible!

How do they manage a wedding and a pregnancy right when brexit is having major issues? The timing is phenomenal.

 

[Danidl]

the problem is the UK/EU border will have to go 'hard' at some time in the future where there will be sufficient divergence.
The problem is when, because that may signal the breakup of the UK. England will be on its own if it wants to leave the EU.

.. Yes that may well be the case, but that will not be the EUs problem. Schrödinger's cat if you will.

 

[Danidl]

The difficulty all parties face is the fact that the so called "Government" of this country simply isn't the ultimate authority, it is effectively crippled by being Blackmailed, by gangsters that make Al Capone look Charitable by comparison, though they like him are involved in depriving the nation of Tax it is due.
Agreements with this non entity are a waste of time and effort, as they abandon them almost as soon as they are made.

There seem little chance of any other result than a no deal brexit jump off the cliff, and we will have to make the blackmailers face the music afterwards.

There is an old saying about Divorce
"The best way to punish a man who steals your wife is to let him keep her"
Brexit is a sort of "Divorce " we are told

The Leave camp illegally stole a victory to gain this Divorce
Brexit is theirs,, now is the time for them to make it work or suffer the consequences.

As before, I won't make comment on the British parliament, but if it is supreme, then it must act supreme.

 

[flecc]

The Royal family is quite incredible!

How do they manage a wedding and a pregnancy right when brexit is having major issues? The timing is phenomenal.

It's their sense of duty.
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[anotherkiwi]

The Royal family is quite incredible!

How do they manage a wedding and a pregnancy right when brexit is having major issues? The timing is phenomenal.

tilson has a theory which holds up to analysis...

 

[Woosh]

TM:
"If it were the case that at the end of the negotiation process actually it was a no deal ...then actually that would come back to this House and then we would see what position this House would take in the circumstances".

She has thrown down the gauntlet. I wonder if the ERG is going to pick it up.