Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

And there was me , thinking an "old Management Habit was Golf"

I've never played it or even tried to, despite having no fewer than eight golf courses in walking reach. The edge of one is only three hundred yards away, the next two only just over a thousand yards! You can see two of them close to me in this photo:


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[oldgroaner]

I love the way the Government invert reality as this example in the Sun
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WHAT ARE EU THINKING?
Jeremy Hunt warns European Union leaders to ‘step back from the abyss’ of a no-deal Brexit


Following the angry clashes at the Salzburg summit, the Foreign Secretary said it was 'counterproductive' to 'insult' Britain's referendum vote

And the readers fall for this?
Amazing that anyone could be so naive as to imagine that this is a "Cliff edge" situation for the EU rather than us!

This is the IMF view
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jul/19/no-deal-brexit-would-harm-all-european-countries-warns-imf

"Growth across Europe forecast to fall if UK adopted WTO rules, with Britain worst affected"

And it clearly shows is that the best outcome for both halves of Ireland are to unite and stay in the EU

 

[oldgroaner]

I've never played it or even tried to, despite having no fewer than eight golf courses in walking reach. The edge of one is only three hundred yards away, the next two only just over a thousand yards! You can see two of them close to me in this photo:

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Crikey! the photo gives the impression the area would be hell to evacuate down single arterial road, unless there are some hidden roads among the trees, is this true?

 

[oyster]

What a shambles.

Cabinet at war after May’s humiliation in Salzburg

Norway? Canada? Chequers? The PM’s disastrous week will prompt further division – and perhaps a leadership challenge

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/22/tories-seek-new-avenues-after-salzburg-dead-end

 

[flecc]

Crikey! the photo gives the impression the area would be hell to evacuate down single arterial road, unless there are some hidden roads among the trees, is this true?

Yes, single road, but six footpaths hidden by trees leading out to the rest of the world. It's mostly London but at the lower tip of the housing the golf course is all Surrey. Here's another photo I took from the air back in 1976, facing south this time before the lower golf course was built

 

[Woosh]

The man is hardly a Role model,

he is a lot better than TM.
He supported a second referendum, single market and customs union.

 

[Woosh]

What a shambles.

Cabinet at war after May’s humiliation in Salzburg

Norway? Canada? Chequers? The PM’s disastrous week will prompt further division – and perhaps a leadership challenge

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/22/tories-seek-new-avenues-after-salzburg-dead-end

TM bought time by hitting back at the EU. That stops BJ throwing rocks at her until the end of the month.
Canada: that is OK for the EU but not NI. It won't pass the HoC.

 

[oyster]

he is a lot better than TM.
He supported a second referendum, single market and customs union.

So what on earth is he doing in the cabinet of a government that is anti-second referendum, anti-single-market, anti-customs union and seeming to do everything it can to ensure a dismal outcome?

 

[oldgroaner]

So what on earth is he doing in the cabinet of a government that is anti-second referendum, anti-single-market, anti-customs union and seeming to do everything it can to ensure a dismal outcome?

What any Vulture does, follow a dying victim.

 

[Woosh]

So what on earth is he doing in the cabinet of a government that is anti-second referendum, anti-single-market, anti-customs union and seeming to do everything it can to ensure a dismal outcome?

he is a career politician. A technocrat if you like. Head Boy, first class PPE Oxford. Rapid progress through the ranks, current FO portfolio, next job PM?

 

[oldgroaner]

Joke of the Day from the Express
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BREXIT BOMBSHELL: Defiant May warns Corbyn meddling will send talks ‘back to SQUARE ONE’
THERESA MAY has insisted the country must “hold its nerve” in its standoff with the EU and vowed: “This is the moment to do what is right for Britain".

Hang on there, shouldn't she be talking to her Crony's first before having a "go" at somone not in a position to make decisions?
And of course she doesn't speak for the "Country" just a large faction that voted for Brexit (maybe, or does she?)

 

[oldgroaner]

In the Independent Corbyn is still hedging his bets
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The Labour leader’s new comments on a People’s Vote Brexit referendum come as a new YouGov poll showed his party’s members overwhelmingly back one, while more than 100 motions relating to a new vote have been proposed for the conference in Liverpool.


He said: “What comes out of conference I will adhere to. But I’m not calling for a second referendum. I hope we will agree that the best way of resolving this is a general election.

Hope as much as you like, but if you imagine you will get into no 10 without promising either a referendum, or cancelling Brexit, you have not a snowflake in hell's chance.
Frankly I will still only vote for a party that opposes Brexit, nothing less is acceptable.
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As Churchill once famously said
"I am a man of simple tastes
The very best will do."

And EU membership is so clearly that, it's amazing that people still cling to wanting to damage the future of this nation by rejecting it in favour of what is simply a bet against impossible odds, and to make it even more fantastic employing a bunch of political imbeciles to do the job!

 

[Woosh]

Hope as much as you like, but if you imagine you will get into no 10 without promising either a referendum, or cancelling Brexit, you have not a snowflake in hell's chance.

promising a referendum is vote winning, delivering it is not.

 

[oyster]

promising a referendum is vote winning, delivering it is not.

There would almost certainly be more votes cast in a referendum than for any party in a GE.

 

[oldtom]

In summary………



…….and I have no argument with any of that.

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

In summary………

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…….and I have no argument with any of that.

Tom

I didn't think she was that good.

 

[oyster]

What a lovely bunch...

Katie Hopkins to speak at far-right rally with Holocaust denier
The former reality TV star will share a stage with Islamophobes and other extremists at For Britain conference

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/23/katie-hopkins-speak-far-right-for-britain-islamophobe-holocaust-denier

 

[oldgroaner]

There would almost certainly be more votes cast in a referendum than for any party in a GE.

That's what happens when a promise is made rather than a contradictory manifesto.
The problem with referendums is this. People believe that like rubbing a magic lamp, the expressed promise is guaranteed to come true, regardless of how difficult or even impossible it turns out to be.

 

[oyster]

That's what happens when a promise is made rather than a contradictory manifesto.
The problem with referendums is this. People believe that like rubbing a magic lamp, the expressed promise is guaranteed to come true, regardless of how difficult or even impossible it turns out to be.

Another major problem with referendums is how changes in demography and of minds can be incorporated.

I have heard a number of people saying how a second referendum on brexit would be undemocratic (as we all have) but none can explain how one referendum binds the government forever into the future even if demonstrably against the "will of the people" now, whereas a second is fundamentally undemocratic.

 

[oldgroaner]

What a lovely bunch...

Katie Hopkins to speak at far-right rally with Holocaust denier
The former reality TV star will share a stage with Islamophobes and other extremists at For Britain conference

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/23/katie-hopkins-speak-far-right-for-britain-islamophobe-holocaust-denier

I wonder who is paying for this bankrupt to appear?