Brexit, for once some facts.

derf

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a dream? Theresa May is going to make a success of it.
many brexiters may disagree with her vision of brexit though.
it's interesting to note that Johnson and Davis are not part of her 'economy reset team'. Still no good news since the referendum. Apparently we need a new sledgehammer. What is it really for I wonder.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/aug/03/bank-of-england-urged-to-use-sledgehammer-to-combat-brexit-slump
it will be interesting to see how the Hinckley point china stand off ends. I suspect she is in part a control freak, which may not necessarily be a bad thing. But I'm afraid making a success of brexit may not be an option and the deluded public may not take kindly to the kind of catastrophes lining up for her and the UK.
 
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a dream? Theresa May is going to make a success of it.
many brexiters may disagree with her vision of brexit though.
it's interesting to note that Johnson and Davis are not part of her 'economy reset team'. Still no good news since the referendum. Apparently we need a new sledgehammer. What is it really for I wonder.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/aug/03/bank-of-england-urged-to-use-sledgehammer-to-combat-brexit-slump
What is a sledgehammer needed for?
Hammering the scam that the Governments version of Brexit will turn into through the resistance of the leave voters of course!

A few more good frights, real and manufactured should do the trick.
Should be easy for professional con artists, after all it worked once, didn't it?
 
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TBH, the cost of electricity produced by wind and solar has come down a lot and will continue to come down, making producing electricity from uranium expensive, then we have to add the cost of decommisioning. What should happen is our government should sponsor a UK nuclear PLC and crowdfund the project.I wouldn't mind putting part of my pension into it.
I am much for using natural gaz and carbon sequestration as a short term measure.
 
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TBH, the cost of electricity produced by wind and solar has come down a lot and will continue to come down, making producing electricity from uranium expensive, then we have to add the cost of decommisioning. What should happen is our government should sponsor a UK nuclear PLC and crowdfund the project.I wouldn't mind putting part of my pension into it.
I am much for using natural gaz and carbon sequestration as a short term measure.
At present we are on Holiday on Anglesey.
The Wylffa Magnox Nuclear Power Station closed on 31st December 2015.
Decommisioning will take 90 years

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/just-how-you-decommission-nuclear-10666303

By the end of which time the cost of doing so will have rendered the whole reason for the existence of the Power Station a Huge mistake.
Unless you factor in the fact it made Nuclear warhead materials, which is in everyone's shopping basket of course.
 
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In my previous "proper" job, I worked as a consultant in the energy industry, started of in oil / gas, moved to off shore wind (which is what I did my Masters in) and then got head hunted for a job in nuclear.

During this period of my life I learned a lot.

It can be summarised by now my total opposition to all things nuclear. I could write an essay on the reasons for this, but I won't bore you.
 
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But I did have to sign the official secrets act, so I can't share all my concerns I'm afraid.
No, we don't want someone to find you zipped inside a hold-all in the left luggage area at a train station.

If you see an anonymous white panel van parked up, cross the road. Theresa May reads this thread.
 
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No, we don't want someone to find you zipped inside a hold-all in the left luggage area at a train station.

If you see an anonymous white panel van parked up, cross the road. Theresa May reads this thread.
I'm from Cheltenham, so pretty much everyone's parents I grew up with had parents who were "civil servants" working for GCHQ.

Gareth Williams, (no relation) who was the famous Spy in a bag body, was actually a member of the cycling club in the town that my dad was chairman of at the time.
 

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Gareth Williams, (no relation) who was the famous Spy in a bag body, was actually a member of the cycling club in the town that my dad was chairman of at the time.
Gareth Williams's flat was in the same area as a flat owned by Barbara Windsor, who during July 1966 at Lords Cricket ground, hit my dad in the face with her handbag following a terrible mistake over two Pimm's jugs. At the time of this incident, my father was accompanied by a man who could throw a kettle over a pub. Beat that!
 
Gareth Williams's flat was in the same area as a flat owned by Barbara Windsor, who during July 1966 at Lords Cricket ground, hit my dad in the face with her handbag following a terrible mistake over two Pimm's jugs. At the time of this incident, my father was accompanied by a man who could throw a kettle over a pub. Beat that!
can't beat that... but my Nan was killed by a kettle that hit her whilst sat in a beer garden, so we may need to have words ;)
 
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No, we don't want someone to find you zipped inside a hold-all in the left luggage area at a train station.

If you see an anonymous white panel van parked up, cross the road. Theresa May reads this thread.
Surely that would be a G4s van?
I'm from Cheltenham, so pretty much everyone's parents I grew up with had parents who were "civil servants" working for GCHQ.

Gareth Williams, (no relation) who was the famous Spy in a bag body, was actually a member of the cycling club in the town that my dad was chairman of at the time.

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can't beat that... but my Nan was killed by a kettle that hit her whilst sat in a beer garden, so we may need to have words ;)
Only Brexit could have brought two such comic geniuses together[emoji1]
No, we don't want someone to find you zipped inside a hold-all in the left luggage area at a train station.

If you see an anonymous white panel van parked up, cross the road. Theresa May reads this thread.
Gareth Williams's flat was in the same area as a flat owned by Barbara Windsor, who during July 1966 at Lords Cricket ground, hit my dad in the face with her handbag following a terrible mistake over two Pimm's jugs. At the time of this incident, my father was accompanied by a man who could throw a kettle over a pub. Beat that!
I'm from Cheltenham, so pretty much everyone's parents I grew up with had parents who were "civil servants" working for GCHQ.

Gareth Williams, (no relation) who was the famous Spy in a bag body, was actually a member of the cycling club in the town that my dad was chairman of at the time.

Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk
 

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TBH, the cost of electricity produced by wind and solar has come down a lot and will continue to come down
But they aren't baseload. Much as some might hate it, nuclear will have to form a major part of our future generation if we are to have adequate baseload and meet our climate change obligations.

But our slow responses to need probably mean we'll be panicked in to last minute builds of lots of gas turbine stations to stop the lights going out at times when renewables can't meet demand, and they really are expensive to run.

I also challenge the current claimed costs of wind generation, I believe it will be found to be far more expensive ultimately, but that's another subject.
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But they aren't baseload. Much as some might hate it, nuclear will have to form a major part of our future generation if we are to have adequate baseload and meet our climate change obligations.

But our slow responses to need probably mean we'll be panicked in to last minute builds of lots of gas turbine stations to stop the lights going out at times when renewables can't meet demand, and they really are expensive to run.

I also challenge the current claimed costs of wind generation, I believe it will be found to be far more expensive ultimately, but that's another subject.
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however, tidal lagoons apparently produce reliable baseloads for 14 out of every 24 hours. but sadly i suspect not anywhere near 7% of uk national consumption.
Gareth Williams's flat was in the same area as a flat owned by Barbara Windsor, who during July 1966 at Lords Cricket ground, hit my dad in the face with her handbag following a terrible mistake over two Pimm's jugs. At the time of this incident, my father was accompanied by a man who could throw a kettle over a pub. Beat that!
that IS surprising, Tilson's ancestor getting into an accidental fracas, and with a lady, and "about two jugs")!
 

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What is a sledgehammer needed for?
Hammering the scam that the Governments version of Brexit will turn into through the resistance of the leave voters of course!

A few more good frights, real and manufactured should do the trick.
Should be easy for professional con artists, after all it worked once, didn't it?
the odd thing is that the public seem so utterly oblivious to the frights
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/08/03/ftse-100-to-open-lower-hsbc-gets-pummelled-and-next-faces-higher/
i guess it has to become a consumer reality first
 

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however, tidal lagoons apparently produce reliable baseloads for 14 out of every 24 hours. but sadly i suspect not anywhere near 7% of uk national consumption.
They do indeed, and if estuarine and double barriered to give staged generation can produce continuously.

Unfortunately that's not the sort of renewable infrastructure we go for here in the UK, our governments go for quick fixes like wind turbines.

That's why I have no faith in our future generation policies, victims of short term government with little overall continuity of planning. Everything larger just keeps getting put off, Hinckley Point, Heathrow third runway, HS2, North-South Crossrail being just some of the current examples.
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flecc

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our consumption of electricity is projected to go down,
This has been projected before but never happens. One assumption behind the forecast is greater appliance efficiency, but consumers find ever wider ways to use current, confounding the forecasts. What will certainly defeat the forecasts this time is the inexorable spread of electric cars, especially pre-charged hybrids.

If you take the projected total cost to the consumers, about 90 billions, divide it by the number of households, you have something like £3,000 per household, enough to pay for per household storage of cheap electricity.
But it has to be spent on generation to get the charge current for the storage. Once the true costs of wind generation start to hit home we won't have any spare cash to spend. Apart from the very high routine maintenance costs of offshore wind turbines, how many realise they all have to be renewed every 20 years?
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But it has to be spent on generation to get the charge current for the storage. Once the true costs of wind generation start to hit home we won't have any spare cash to spend. Apart from the very high routine maintenance costs of offshore wind turbines, how many realise they all have to be renewed every 20 years?
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This is classic pro nuclear lobby style facts.... and not my experience of both industries.

Renewing a wind turbine even it does need doing after 20 year, is dead easy and its components can be recycled, the land / sea returned to its exact state prior to the turbine being installed. If it is replaced it can be replaced with more modern technology. There is no huge commitment. If better technology is found, jobs a good un.

If we sign up for Hinkly we're committed to x years of expensive electricty, with zero option to just stop if a better solution is found. Its then 90 years of costly decommission, and a pretty much infinate problem of waste storage. I know some horror stories of what they've been doing at Selafield and Doonray for instance, and ironically a lot of the problems are only discovered when you start drilling into sand dunes to build off shore windfarms!

I'm afraid if I was in charge, I'd not be committing the country to unproven technology (the style of reactor isn't working anywhere yet). The next 50 years could see tonnes of exciting developments in energy use and supply, so why sign up to something so costly, and so vulnerable to the new style of war that we're seeing.

Anyone want to know what the plan is if a plan is flown at a power station? because I've seen the risk assessments..
 

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