Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

Ohhhhh.... NO!!!

Right, we've had:

No flights,
no food,
no medicine.
No work,
no coffee,
no NHS.
Disease, famine, fear & lawlessness.
Army on standby,
UK on lockdown
& Zimbabwe held up as an example of a superior democracy ...lol!.

And now horror of horrors, Shetland sheep farmers to make a loss??!!

What a pathetic bunch of desperate panic stricken Remoaners

So what else have you got, Mr Fear?

(Oh and i forgot those sandwiches)

You've been reading the Right wing press haven't you? all of those possible situations no matter how unlikely have be embroidered and exagerated to appeal to the gullible.
And it's worked, would you like me to look at each one, called up from the source and discredit it before your eyes?
Here's just the first "No flights" is an exaggerated version of this

"No legal framework yet exists to manage flights to Europe once Britain leaves the EU in March 2019, and Ryanair and Lufthansa have cautioned that planes could be temporarily grounded without an aviation deal.

So according to you these airlines know less about their business situation than you do?
And how do you work out that Lufthansa are in the "Remainer" category?

 

[tommie]

Haven`t seen you this agitated before on this thread OG !!

sorry if i upset your sensitivities,

anyhow a word to the wise for you coming up to 29th March..

make sure your gaff has an abundant supply of these..





cos this will be the last you see of your beloved EU as you pull the chain

 

[Zlatan]

Ohhhhh.... NO!!!

Right, we've had:

No flights,
no food,
no medicine.
No work,
no coffee,
no NHS.
Disease, famine, fear & lawlessness.
Army on standby,
UK on lockdown
& Zimbabwe held up as an example of a superior democracy ...lol!.

And now horror of horrors, Shetland sheep farmers to make a loss??!!

What a pathetic bunch of desperate panic stricken Remoaners

So what else have you got, Mr Fear?

(Oh and i forgot those sandwiches)

You, ve forgotten us all being shrivelled up between 11 and 3...
Lighten up OG. You know exactly point Tommie was making. Clicking the disagree would have worked just as well as your tome (s)

 

[oldgroaner]

Haven`t seen you this agitated before on this thread OG !!

sorry if i upset your sensitivities,

anyhow a word to the wise for you coming up to 29th March..

make sure your gaff has an abundant supply of these..



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cos this will be the last you see of your beloved EU as you pull the chain

Not so much agitated as amazed at the inability that you have to grasp the obvious, because it doesn't fit with your little Brexit dream.
Your own Government (you know the one you were lauding the DUP to vote in supporting)
Is telling you Brexit will damage your standard of living.
Northern Ireland is going to be a loser if Brexit goes ahead, and your DUP heroes have dropped you in it by supporting May, and there's nothing you can do about it, is there? except make silly jokes.
Any clues as to how you are going to gain from Brexit?
Do impress us with your carefully thought through point of view.

 

[oldgroaner]

You, ve forgotten us all being shrivelled up between 11 and 3...
Lighten up OG. You know exactly point Tommie was making. Clicking the disagree would have worked just as well as your tome (s)

You are right, there isn't much point in trying to communicate he can't be reached, even the Government he voted for couldn't manage that , could it?
But I shall hit the informative button instead, as he made it obvious how the committed Brexiteers mind works, unfortunately

 

[Zlatan]

Not so much agitated as amazed at the inability that you have to grasp the obvious, because it doesn't fit with your little Brexit dream.
Your own Government (you know the one you were lauding the DUP to vote in supporting)
Is telling you Brexit will damage your standard of living.
Northern Ireland is going to be a loser if Brexit goes ahead, and your DUP heroes have dropped you in it by supporting May, and there's nothing you can do about it, is there? except make silly jokes.
Any clues as to how you are going to gain from Brexit?
Do impress us with your carefully thought through point of view.

It was a good point and funny. We are always getting warnings, always overstated. Crying wolf??

 

[oldgroaner]

It was a good point and funny. We are always getting warnings, always overstated. Crying wolf??

Actually he was crying wolf, wasn't he? the leave campaign have used this weapon right from day one, blaming the opposition for what they actually do themselves is old hat.
As to being Funny well OK, it was humorous, especially when his own heroes have dropped Northern Ireland in the sticky stuff by supporting May and co.
That part is funny.

 

[oldtom]

Oh dear; Wayne Kerr's back on the scene.

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Guardian
"
UK will save no money from Brexit for next five years, says OBR
Country will continue paying divorce bill until at least 2064, predicts budget watchdog

The UK will save no money from leaving the European Union over the next five years and could be paying its Brexit divorce bill until at least 2064, according to the government’s independent budget watchdog.

Outlining the cost of severing links with the EU, the Office for Budget Responsibility said government spending up until 2023 would have been the same if the UK had voted to remain in the 2016 referendum.

On the current course assumed by the OBR, the financial settlement required to leave the EU and spending to replace European funding in the UK will cost the country just as much as full membership.

Good innit Guv?

 

[oyster]

Lots of companies are making extensive plans to try to ensure continuation of business after brexit. Must be costing a fortune to plan and implement these changes. I am absolutely sure they are not doing is for propaganda reasons. One example, quite close to my heart, is this...

Insulin maker Sanofi stockpiles medicines ahead of Brexit
Pharma firm warehouses 14 weeks of supplies in Britain case of ‘no-deal’ shortages

Julia Kollewe

Wed 1 Aug 2018 17.17 BST Last modified on Wed 1 Aug 2018 17.42 BST


Pills being sorted before packaging at a Sanofi factory, France. The French firm has arranged extra UK warehouse capacity for its drugs ‘where global supply allows’. Photograph: Bloomberg/Getty Images
The French company Sanofi has become the latest drugs manufacturer to start stockpiling medicines amid mounting uncertainty over the UK’s exit from the EU.

Supplies of thousands of medicines could be disrupted if Britain leaves the EU without a deal next March and border checks and lengthy transport delays arise.

The rival pharmaceutical firms AstraZeneca and MSD (known as Merck & Co in the US) have also announced stockpiling plans.

Sanofi, a large producer of insulin and vaccines, is building up stocks of a wide range of medicines in British warehouses, creating a 14-week supply starting from April 2019. Most of its supplies arrive in the UK through the Channel tunnel; it normally held just 10-week supplies of drugs in case of disruption, it said.

Hugo Fry, the managing director of Sanofi’s UK operation, said: “The uncertainty in the Brexit negotiations means that Sanofi has been planning for a ‘no deal’ scenario. Patient safety is our main priority and we have made arrangements for additional warehouse capacity in order to stockpile our products, where global supply allows, in the UK, and increase UK-based resources to prepare for any changes to customs or regulatory processes.”

He said this was in line with recommendations by the European Federation of Pharmaceutical Industries and Associations (EFPIA). “In the absence of any transition agreement, the European Medicines Agency will deem the UK to be a ‘third country’.”

Rest of article here: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/01/insulin-maker-sanofi-stockpiles-medicines-ahead-of-brexit

 

[Kudoscycles]

Ohhhhh.... NO!!!

Right, we've had:

No flights,
no food,
no medicine.
No work,
no coffee,
no NHS.
Disease, famine, fear & lawlessness.
Army on standby,
UK on lockdown
& Zimbabwe held up as an example of a superior democracy ...lol!.

And now horror of horrors, Shetland sheep farmers to make a loss??!!

What a pathetic bunch of desperate panic stricken Remoaners

So what else have you got, Mr Fear?

(Oh and i forgot those sandwiches)

Tommie.....there was a proposal to turn the M26 into a lorry park,but someone pointed out it would only store 1400 lorries.
Some bright Leaver MP then had the idea of the North side of the M20 becoming a 10,000 lorry park ,the South side carriageway would then become a contra road,until someone pointed out that Dover bound vehicles wouldn’t be able to exit at the junctions.
You cannot believe how thick these Leaver MP.s are.
KudosDave

 

[soundwave]

 

[oldgroaner]

Tommie.....there was a proposal to turn the M26 into a lorry park,but someone pointed out it would only store 1400 lorries.
Some bright Leaver MP then had the idea of the North side of the M20 becoming a 10,000 lorry park ,the South side carriageway would then become a contra road,until someone pointed out that Dover bound vehicles wouldn’t be able to exit at the junctions.
You cannot believe how thick these Leaver MP.s are.
KudosDave

What does that imply for those who still support them?

 

[oldgroaner]

Fake News of the Day award to this in the Daily Express
"
EU WILL LOSE: Theresa May told WTO will turn UK into an ECONOMIC POWERHOUSE after Brexit
THERESA May’s hand has been massively strengthened in the Brexit negotiations after a new study revealed that using World Trade Organisation (WTO) rules instead of making a deal with the EU will turn Britain into an economic powerhouse.
It follows work by Economists for Free Trade which showed that the Treasury would collect £80 billion a year based on the revenue created by moving on to the World Trade Deal on WTO rules.
If this were to happen the UK would also keep its £39 billion which had been earmarked as a divorce bill to paid to the EU.
The advantage of a World Trade Deal on WTO terms is that the UK is not bound by EU rules or committed to agree to its red tape and regulations, while it is able to strike lucrative free trade deals around the world.
Mr Burrage, a member of Economists for Free Trade,

So who are "Economists for Free trade"?

Professor Patrick Minford
Is the Chairman

These people were the only group to forecast Brexit would be a success and their nonsense has been shot down, yet here again is exactly the same discredited information they published before the Referendum

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexiteers-economists-for-brexit-patrick-minford-study-doubly-misleading-eu-uk-trade-deal-tariff-a7691271.html

And it appears again as if it is news? times are getting hard for the leave campaigners if they have to resort to rehashing discredited garbage like this.

 

[oyster]

And it appears again as if it is news?

They are pretty good at nonsense. Like the lack of cost in computerised customs. The implementation alone will cost an absolute fortune.

Customs costs close to zero when computerised, say leading economists
May 23, 2018

“Jon Thomson’s figures are not consistent with what we know are the customs costs of repeat traffic loads when process by the seamless procedures mandated by the WTO” – Professor Patrick Minford

 

[oldtom]

What does that imply for those who still support them?

Once a 'Brexidiot', always a 'Brexidiot'!

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

They are pretty good at nonsense. Like the lack of cost in computerised customs. The implementation alone will cost an absolute fortune.

Customs costs close to zero when computerised, say leading economists
May 23, 2018

“Jon Thomson’s figures are not consistent with what we know are the customs costs of repeat traffic loads when process by the seamless procedures mandated by the WTO” – Professor Patrick Minford

In fact this is deemed to be the case
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44372011
Brexit: HMRC chief defends £20bn customs figure
HMRC chief Jon Thompson has defended his £20bn estimate of the cost to businesses of the post-Brexit customs system favoured by leading Brexiteers.

He told MPs that a technology-based system - dubbed the "max fac" solution - would cost businesses a similar amount to leaving the EU with no deal
Mr Thompson said the high frequency of transactions meant firms would still have to fill in customs declarations.
The prime minister wants Britain to leave the EU customs union post-Brexit.
Mr Thompson explained that the HMRC had calculated costs on a bottom-up approach, looking at the costs incurred for each transaction.

 

[oldgroaner]

You have to ask how anyone could have faith in anything the Government tries to computerise, as their success rate is appalling
Here are seven examples
https://www.softwareadvisoryservice.com/blog/biggest-uk-government-project-failures/
What a record! hardly likely to make one optimistic of a new system that can stop essential supplies and exports flowing, is it?

 

[oldtom]

As if to reaffirm the fact that the tory Party is awash with idiots, this article from 'The Independent' demonstrates that they have no shame and would happily have the chief tory idiot in parliament as their leader:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-conservative-leader-theresa-may-brexit-cabinet-tory-poll-members-a8472341.html?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1533116871

Tom

 

[oldtom]

It seems obvious to me.......

..........“Be suspicious of those who defend the powerful. For god's sake, be suspicious of anyone who defends the interests of the most powerful people in the world from the less powerful. It's amazing that this isn't more obvious to more people.”



Tom