Brexit, for once some facts.

[oyster]

Take fright on Brexit: even the civil service head is telling us to panic

Polly Toynbee
Stockpiling food. Civil unrest. After the latest warnings on a no-deal with the EU we must hope to God this is a phoney war

 

[daveboy]

Take fright on Brexit: even the civil service head is telling us to panic

Polly Toynbee
Stockpiling food. Civil unrest. After the latest warnings on a no-deal with the EU we must hope to God this is a phoney war

I think Polly might be a secret Remainer

 

[oyster]

The tone is rather the border will exist, it was fantasy to assume that in the case of hard brexit it would not. I cannot see why you could be pleased .

Discussion of the existing Good Friday agreement seems to have disappeared of late. Just how can that sit with a hard border?

 

[tillson]

3.5% pay rises for the public sector. Yippee, the money hose has been turned on at the hydrant. Let us all give thanks to the almighty May.

Just a couple of concerns.

1) Where is the money coming from?

2) The last time the Torys were kind to the police was when they wanted them to kick in the heads of mine workers. No deal Brexit - Civil Unrest - Who is in their sights this time?

We praise thee dear May and give thanks for your eternal light and the goodness which you bestow upon our unworthy souls.

Amen.

 

[oyster]

secret

For some meanings of secret - the ones that have, so far, been kept secret.

 

[Woosh]

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies. "

does it apply to brexit?

 

[oyster]

1) Where is the money coming from?

We'll probably find that the answer is a printing press - in Germany, or another one of the 27. (After all, if it is OK to print passports abroad...)

 

[Woosh]

Discussion of the existing Good Friday agreement seems to have disappeared of late. Just how can that sit with a hard border?

tear it up and start again?

 

[Woosh]

From the Independent
"
Jeremy Corbyn to highlight economic 'benefit' of Brexit as he demands UK stop relying on 'cheap labour from abroad'
Labour leader will say plummeting pound can help manufacturers 'build things here again that for too long have been built abroad', in speech that will prompt comparisons with Donald Trump's 'America first' approach

JC said: "It must be our job in government to reprogramme our economy so that it stops working for the few and begins working for the many. "

is it not the hard brexit's vision of sunlit uplands?
and how is JC's wing of labour (Momentum) going to deliver it? Most of the clever people work for the rich, not the poor.
If he taxes the foreign companies like he said he would, wouldn't that simply hasten closures of their factories?

 

[tillson]

We'll probably find that the answer is a printing press - in Germany, or another one of the 27. (After all, if it is OK to print passports abroad...)

Why haven’t the government thought of this before? It’s so obvious now you say it. Just print billions of pounds, give everyone in the U.K. a couple of million each and that’s it, we become a nation of multi-millionaires! We can then really tell those continental b@stards to get stuffed.

Sometimes the simplest of plans are the best, but the least obvious.

 

[oldgroaner]

does it apply to brexit?

Whatever made you think that? (chuckle)

 

[oldgroaner]

Why haven’t the government thought of this before? It’s so obvious now you say it. Just print billions of pounds, give everyone in the U.K. a couple of million each and that’s it, we become a nation of multi-millionaires! We can then really tell those continental b@stards to get stuffed.

Sometimes the simplest of plans are the best, but the least obvious.

Enterprising members of the public have been doing this for years.
This chap for instance could be made an honorary member of the Bell Clan for adding Growth to the economy
From the Daily Record
"
Out of work printer produced £160,000 worth of FAKE £20 notes in Glasgow flat
TONY Howland, 35, was making the counterfeit money using ink jet printers and putting a water mark and thread on them similar to those on genuine notes.
Tony Howland, 35, was making the counterfeit money using ink jet printers and putting a water mark and thread on them similar to those on genuine notes.

Over two months he and co-accused Victor Robertson were responsible for producing £160,000 worth of fake £20 notes.

When police raided the flat at Queens Crescent, Glasgow, they found notes, which were produced 12 to a sheet of paper, in various stages of production.

Police also found a printed note estimating it would take four days to print, glue, dry and cut £56,000 worth of the fake £20s.

Howland, an out-of-work printer and graphic designer, admitted counterfeiting notes and having the equipment and materials necessary to produce the fakes.

Robertson, 41, of Mavisbank Gardens, Glasgow, was convicted of being involved in the counterfeit operation by making and passing notes between July 18 and September 16, 2013.

Co-accused Stuart Trimble, of Tullis Street, Glasgow, had the counterfeiting charge against him found not proven.

Private Enterprise at it's most profitable.....the goodness was flowing

This is the only sort of thinking that will make Brexit successful.

 

[Zlatan]

Enterprising members of the public have been doing this for years.
This chap for instance could be made an honorary member of the Bell Clan for adding Growth to the economy
From the Daily Record
"
Out of work printer produced £160,000 worth of FAKE £20 notes in Glasgow flat
TONY Howland, 35, was making the counterfeit money using ink jet printers and putting a water mark and thread on them similar to those on genuine notes.
Tony Howland, 35, was making the counterfeit money using ink jet printers and putting a water mark and thread on them similar to those on genuine notes.

Over two months he and co-accused Victor Robertson were responsible for producing £160,000 worth of fake £20 notes.

When police raided the flat at Queens Crescent, Glasgow, they found notes, which were produced 12 to a sheet of paper, in various stages of production.

Police also found a printed note estimating it would take four days to print, glue, dry and cut £56,000 worth of the fake £20s.

Howland, an out-of-work printer and graphic designer, admitted counterfeiting notes and having the equipment and materials necessary to produce the fakes.

Robertson, 41, of Mavisbank Gardens, Glasgow, was convicted of being involved in the counterfeit operation by making and passing notes between July 18 and September 16, 2013.

Co-accused Stuart Trimble, of Tullis Street, Glasgow, had the counterfeiting charge against him found not proven.

Private Enterprise at it's most profitable.....the goodness was flowing

This is the only sort of thinking that will make Brexit successful.

Amazing, when government do it through incompetency its called "quantitive easing" and nobody goes to gaol. We do it and it's do not pass go.
Both have same effect.

 

[oldgroaner]

Amazing, when government do it through incompetency its called "quantitive easing" and nobody goes to gaol. We do it and it's do not pass go.
Both have same effect.

But the Government doesn't do porridge for it!

 

[Zlatan]

Take fright on Brexit: even the civil service head is telling us to panic

Polly Toynbee
Stockpiling food. Civil unrest. After the latest warnings on a no-deal with the EU we must hope to God this is a phoney war

Shouldn't be a problem between 11am and 3 pm, we are all hiding indoors keeping out of the heat.

 

[Zlatan]

But the Government doesn't do porridge for it!

They don't go to gaol either.

 

[oldgroaner]

Why haven’t the government thought of this before? It’s so obvious now you say it. Just print billions of pounds, give everyone in the U.K. a couple of million each and that’s it, we become a nation of multi-millionaires! We can then really tell those continental b@stards to get stuffed.

Sometimes the simplest of plans are the best, but the least obvious.

You'd best run that plan by Zlatan, he's our resident mathematatical expert, there may be some unforeseen little snags we lesser mortals aren't aware of. (unless of course this was the "practical use" he was telling us about when he gave up preaching.)

 

[Danidl]

Discussion of the existing Good Friday agreement seems to have disappeared of late. Just how can that sit with a hard border?

.. it cannot co exist. Hence the lie and the fudge of the UK agreement on Backstop arrangements. There was a very clever article last week I think on the independent .ie website by an Irish comedian based in the UK. I think the name was Flanigan. It was entitled .. "so you have a prime minister in Ireland."... Now I am grossly paraphrasing..

Now Irish people have a good idea about GB, we know that Kent is south of Yorkshire' and London is down there, and not up there. We know that Wales is the bit closest to us ,.. but that is not how the British see Ireland,if they think about Ireland at all. .. Perhaps it's the same as the Isle of Man, but a bit bigger and twice as far away..the same as us ,but with a few more eccentricities.

That it could be a seperate country within a community of nations just does not compute.... That it could have rights and interests separate from UK ones just does not enter the mindset. It is an alien concept.
That is as far as the article went.it explored that theme with better humour. . so I am extending here...

In this context it is understandable, not acceptable but understandable that those offensive crass comments made by the newspapers and senior politicians and the public about our opposition to BREXIt. They cannot see , they have no frame of reference. They see the existence of an independent Ireland, whenever they think about it at all, as an act of betrayal and the Irish,of whatever creed as ungrateful whelps.
Similarly the same mindset will be looking at an International Treaty as the Good Friday agreement is as a local authority planning matter.
I suspect but do not know that the same mindset will view the local assemblies in Wales and Scotland, and NI in the same light.

 

[oyster]

Enterprising members of the public have been doing this for years.
This chap for instance could be made an honorary member of the Bell Clan for adding Growth to the economy
From the Daily Record
"
Out of work printer produced £160,000 worth of FAKE £20 notes in Glasgow flat
TONY Howland, 35, was making the counterfeit money using ink jet printers and putting a water mark and thread on them similar to those on genuine notes.
Tony Howland, 35, was making the counterfeit money using ink jet printers and putting a water mark and thread on them similar to those on genuine notes.

Over two months he and co-accused Victor Robertson were responsible for producing £160,000 worth of fake £20 notes.

When police raided the flat at Queens Crescent, Glasgow, they found notes, which were produced 12 to a sheet of paper, in various stages of production.

Police also found a printed note estimating it would take four days to print, glue, dry and cut £56,000 worth of the fake £20s.

Howland, an out-of-work printer and graphic designer, admitted counterfeiting notes and having the equipment and materials necessary to produce the fakes.

Robertson, 41, of Mavisbank Gardens, Glasgow, was convicted of being involved in the counterfeit operation by making and passing notes between July 18 and September 16, 2013.

Co-accused Stuart Trimble, of Tullis Street, Glasgow, had the counterfeiting charge against him found not proven.

Private Enterprise at it's most profitable.....the goodness was flowing

This is the only sort of thinking that will make Brexit successful.

Is that fake news?

 

[oyster]

the local assemblies in Wales and Scotland

Always wonder how much of the agreement to institute W & S assemblies was to keep the flac local. That is, Westminster can always say "Wasn't us that decided that. Was Cardiff/Edinburgh."