This is point three kiwi. Perhaps we are reading different links. Point 1 was about perceptions ??
I, ll enlarge it if you wish. (lifted from Cavitas)
Brexit, for once some facts.
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This is point three kiwi. Perhaps we are reading different links. Point 1 was about perceptions ??
I, ll enlarge it if you wish. (lifted from Cavitas)
The centre-right European People’s party (EPP) candidate, Jean-Claude Juncker, defeated his Socialist rival Martin Schulz in 2014 after the EPP emerged as the biggest party in that year’s elections.
EU leaders were presented with a fait accompli and felt compelled to accept Juncker despite widespread concern that he was the wrong man for the job. Only David Cameron and his Hungarian counterpart, Viktor Orbán, voted against him, as other EU leaders worried they would be perceived as anti-democratic if they were to choose their own candidate.
That is how he got there in the first place, he was voted in by European leaders.
EU leaders were presented with a fait accompli and felt compelled to accept Juncker despite widespread concern that he was the wrong man for the job. Only David Cameron and his Hungarian counterpart, Viktor Orbán, voted against him, as other EU leaders worried they would be perceived as anti-democratic if they were to choose their own candidate.
That is how he got there in the first place, he was voted in by European leaders.
Who appoints it? The people you voted for to represent you, they are doing what you asked them to do.
There is an error in that text, it proposes directives, only national governments can make laws. And they are not democratically elected or are they?
Here we go again, the commissioners are selected by each of their national governments. The national governments are, in western Europe elected by the people. So the commissioners have exactly the same claim to democracy as does any minister of state in any EU country including the prime minister. The portfolio or area of EU interest they have responsibility for is then agreed in the horse trading which goes on in any government cabinet. .. It is to the UKs shame, that they have continually sent sub standard commissioners ( and indeed MEPs), then poorly reported on it so it is little wonder you have a lopsided view.
Is that why Japan just agreed a huge trade deal with them?
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As I said you, will believe anything, no matter how unlikely
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http://www.civitas.org.uk/publications/the-brussels-broadcasting-corporation/is
Good article about bias in BBC against leave... From Civitas.
Click on Europe after opening link.
Good article about bias in BBC against leave... From Civitas.
Click on Europe after opening link.
A finger pointed down from the sky and POW, ZAP BOOM! J-C Junker was suddenly EU high commissioner.
There, does that better suit your world view instead of the truth and facts?
There, does that better suit your world view instead of the truth and facts?
I think you, ve summed him up well.
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-02-09/the-eu-doesn-t-want-to-be-more-democratic
Even Bloomberg see there is an issue with democracy in EU.
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The Commission itself is currently comprised of 28 EU Commissioners. Each member state has the opportunity to nominate a Commissioner who is then endorsed collectively by MEPs after a series of public hearings. 27 of the Commissioners are responsible for a specific portfolio such as Energy or Trade. 5 Commissioners are then appointed as Vice-Presidents, there is 1 First Vice-President and the whole Commission is overseen by the President. This position is determined in negotiations between the governments of member countries, with approval required from MEPs. Jean Claude-Juncker is currently serving as the President of the European Commission. The President’s role is to serve as a public figurehead for the Commission and to liaise with national governments to develop, deliver and enforce EU law. The President decides which portfolio each Commissioner is given, although MEPs have the power to block appointments they do not agree with. All Commissioners serve a 5 year mandate.
The European Parliament
The European Parliament is the democratically elected chamber of the European Union, comprised of 751 elected Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) representing every region of each EU country. Parliament has the power to amend or block proposals from the Commission for new EU legislation or changes to existing legislation. Through votes in Parliament or Parliamentary Committees, MEPs can also ask the Commission to bring forward proposals for new legislation. Thus, the European Commission and European Parliament have a close working relationship.
As usual Zlatan you had got it wrong the system is little different than our own is it?
By your definition our Parlimentary committees are unelected bodies too, and how is this democratic?
"The Government does not require Parliament’s approval under the legal principle of the Royal Prerogative which means that the powers that used to belong to the monarch have passed to Government ministers. These include the appointment of ministers, refusal to give someone a passport , the declaration of war, whether countries should be recognised and the signing of treaties.
So much for your lecturing on lack of democracy in the EU!
that article, albeit well articulated, contains a caveat: 'This column does not represent the view of Bloomberg'.
If you read my last post you will note that
"Parliament has the power to amend or block proposals from the Commission for new EU legislation or changes to existing legislation. Through votes in Parliament or Parliamentary Committees, MEPs can also ask the Commission to bring forward proposals for new legislation. Thus, the European Commission and European Parliament have a close working relationship.
Which makes your post
"The European Commission is an entirely appointed institution, not democratically elected, and it has the monopoly of proposing laws: there is no competition over who has political authority and sets the agenda at the European level.
It is like parliamentary committees here entirely appointed not democratically elected
So what? seems fine with you to do here, doesn't it?
And the notion of it's omnipotence is clearly a pack of lies.
Michel Barnier has picked apart TM's White Paper.
It is to be expected. The Chequers plan is only an opening move. Next step, the British public's reaction to what is a WTO brexit.
This time, leading brexiters will have to say how we are going to deal with a loss of £200 billion plus a year when various departments publish their guidance to businesses.
It is to be expected. The Chequers plan is only an opening move. Next step, the British public's reaction to what is a WTO brexit.
This time, leading brexiters will have to say how we are going to deal with a loss of £200 billion plus a year when various departments publish their guidance to businesses.
seems like it will be a bad outcome all round
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5969483/Brexit-Secretary-faces-EU-chief-Barnier-time-amid-no-deal-warnings.html