Brexit, for once some facts.

[Woosh]

Woosh that is a pathetic arguement. You can do better than that.

in my younger years maybe. At a time, I employed a lot of people, in my thirties, not now.
If you have a good idea and are capable of producing a good product, I bet that is a nichy product. Anything with a large untapped potential can't be safely done by small businesses employing a dozen people, even for a software product. They'll attend a show and get ripped off in no time at all.
It won't surprise anyone to see that small businesses employing a dozen people or less don't see membership of the EU a benefit.

 

[oldgroaner]

in my younger years maybe. At a time, I employed a lot of people, in my thirties, not now.
If you have a good idea and are capable of producing a good product, I bet that is a nichy product. Anything with a large untapped potential can't be safely done by small businesses employing a dozen people, even for a software product. They'll attend a show and get ripped off in no time at all.
It won't surprise anyone to see that small businesses employing a dozen people or less don't see membership of the EU a benefit.

And those small businesses won't make Brexit a success, so who cares?

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Independent
TM is hoping the "Creative Ambiguity" will kid the Brexit voters, (Many of whom she quite rightly thinks, will have no idea what she has agreed to)

On reflection, I'm not sure I know either!

Brexit: UK set to give some EU citizens preferable treatment as part of future trade deal.

I mean to say what is the meaning of using the term "preferable" instead of "preferential"?

Who is preferring it?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-eu-citizens-preferable-treatment-freedom-movement-trade-deal-a8443851.html

And of course the fun begins when the EU read it.

 

[oldgroaner]

From days of yore, we learned that Napoleon Bonaparte viewed England as a nation of shopkeepers......or it might have been Adam Smith.... but that was then. In a future outside of the EU, given the intransigence and wicked disregard for the people displayed by this fascist government, the UK as it is now, will necessarily become a nation of shoplifters if current trends continue.

Who would ever have imagined that, in this second decade of the 21st century, millions would be reliant on food banks, just to survive? Moreover, even charity shops are now experiencing thefts, increased enormously since Mary Portas did a TV show condemning the lack of business expertise displayed by charitable organisations.

The application of modern, best business practice has since been adopted by most of the well-known High St charity shops and that has meant installing a board of entrepreneurial-minded individuals with a CEO on a six-figure salary, some commanding similar remuneration to university vice-chancellors.

Meanwhile, the number of rough sleepers in our city centres is escalating while the government does a 21st century version of Nero fiddling while Rome burns, while merrily reciting, 'It's the will of the people' whenever questioned about the wisdom of their actions.

I can imagine in the not-too-distant future, another wave of 1950s-style emigration from the UK to Australia/NZ and elsewhere as 'Brexit' gradually takes grip and those with young families consider the best future for their children.

Tom

Ken Dodd summed up the Conservative attitude to dealing with public funds very well

"I suffer from Kleptomania.
When it gets really bad, I take something for it."

 

[Woosh]

And those small businesses won't make Brexit a success, so who cares?

over 95% of businesses in the UK belong to this category (fewer than 10 employees), so you should understand their motivation.

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06152/SN06152.pdf

• In 2017, there were 5.7 million businesses in the UK.
• Over 99% of businesses are Small or Medium Sized businesses – employing 0-249 people
• 5.5 million (96%) businesses were micro-businesses – employing 0-9 people. Micro-businesses accounted for 33% of employment and 22% of turnover.
• In London, there were 1,519 businesses per 10,000 resident adults. In the North East there were 657 per 10,000 resident adults.
• The service industries accounted for 74% of businesses, 79% of employment and 71% of turnover.
• The manufacturing sector accounted for 5% of businesses, 10% of employment and 15% of turnover.

 

[flecc]

• In 2017, there were 5.7 million businesses in the UK.
• Over 99% of businesses are Small or Medium Sized businesses – employing 0-249 people
• 5.5 million (96%) businesses were micro-businesses – employing 0-9 people. Micro-businesses accounted for 33% of employment and 22% of turnover.
• In London, there were 1,519 businesses per 10,000 resident adults. In the North East there were 657 per 10,000 resident adults.
• The service industries accounted for 74% of businesses, 79% of employment and 71% of turnover.
• The manufacturing sector accounted for 5% of businesses, 10% of employment and 15% of turnover.

A complex way of summing up Britain's failure.

Most of these businesses are internal, moving our own money around in circles while, like all of us, consuming from abroad.

Financed by borrowing our way towards bankruptcy.

Only much bigger businesses exporting the desirable on a large scale can bring us success.
.

 

[oldtom]

Trump seems to disagree with May's idea of 'Brexit'. I'm bound to say that I think it's now a complete mess and at this stage, I'd prefer the 'crash and burn', suicide method which would be the quickest way of getting the eejits who voted for it to understand the economics of life in a small but over-populated country, no longer important in any global sense.

brexit-trump-visit-latest-theresa-may-referendum-vote-a8443806.html

Tom

 

[oldgroaner]

over 95% of businesses in the UK belong to this category (fewer than 10 employees), so you should understand their motivation.

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06152/SN06152.pdf

• In 2017, there were 5.7 million businesses in the UK.
• Over 99% of businesses are Small or Medium Sized businesses – employing 0-249 people
• 5.5 million (96%) businesses were micro-businesses – employing 0-9 people. Micro-businesses accounted for 33% of employment and 22% of turnover.
• In London, there were 1,519 businesses per 10,000 resident adults. In the North East there were 657 per 10,000 resident adults.
• The service industries accounted for 74% of businesses, 79% of employment and 71% of turnover.
• The manufacturing sector accounted for 5% of businesses, 10% of employment and 15% of turnover.

Quite simply these facts suggest we are doomed!

 

[oldgroaner]

A complex way of summing up Britain's failure.

Most of these businesses are internal, moving our own money around in circles while, like all of us, consuming from abroad.

Financed by borrowing our way towards bankruptcy.

Only much bigger businesses exporting the desirable on a large scale can bring us success.
.

We have become an organism that is slowly consuming itself.
The dumping ground of the world, expending it's business skills on feeding the ravenous National Consumer beast.
The closest natural equivalent is a Black Hole
The unvarnished truth is that we were an organ in the EU rather than a complete individual, and outside the EU
We haven't got the rest of the body to support the hungry mouth parts.

Brexit following this analogy is ritual Seppuku, and guess who is standing by to finish the job with the coupe de gras when the pain is too much?

 

[Woosh]

Quite simply these facts suggest we are doomed!

exactly.

That's why hard brexit is very damaging.
Remain is a death spiral, made worse without the discount.

that's why I like soft brexit.

 

[oldgroaner]

exactly.

That's why hard brexit is very damaging.
Remain is a death spiral, made worse without the discount.

that's why I like soft brexit.

All Brexit does is accelerate the destruction.

 

[oldtom]

It seems like the geniuses of the government's post-'brexit' planning' department are covering all bases should we indeed crash out of the EU without a deal:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/11/whitehalls-potty-plan-to-keep-ni-lights-on-if-no-brexit-deal

Tom

 

[Woosh]

All Brexit does is accelerate the destruction.

no, soft brexit will be a wake up call.
Time to get up and go work in the fields.

 

[oldgroaner]

no, soft brexit will be a wake up call.
Time to get up and go work in the fields.

How will that create the mega factories we are going to need to make brexit work?
It's all fantasy and nonsense.

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[Woosh]

How will that create the mega factories we are going to need to make brexit work?
It's all fantasy and nonsense.

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all the big factories are foreign owned at the moment. How can it get any worse? We'll bribe them as we have done in recent years.

 

[oldgroaner]

all the big factories are foreign owned at the moment. How can it get any worse? We'll bribe them as we have done in recent years.

And be under their control instead of the EU's
What kind of Brexit is that? absolute madness!
We will just be selling our fates to the highest bidder.

 

[oldtom]

Can matters get any worse? Well, I reckon in spite of the endless, empty soundbites from various multimillionaires pretending to be champions of the British people, things are worsening daily, particularly for our incompetent PM.

The 'Spectator' has this view at the moment:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/the-real-brexit-drama-is-just-beginning/

Fortunately, there are still people around who can find humour in even these dire times, such as David Schneider who tweeted this:



More seriously, Robert Peston claims to have this information from 'sources':



The visit of Trump and the perceived closeness between the British government and the US President will not be lost on the EU leaders or their appointed negotiators, particularly after Trump's disparaging comments about Germany, the meagre financial contributions to NATO and his stupid claims about being loved by the British people.

It may just be enough to harden the EU's stance and I'm sure that if we crash out with no deal, the City of London banking operation will shift pretty quickly beyond these shores, never to return.

When the foreign-owned carmakers decide, as they will, that their businesses would be better served by building cars elsewhere, then the 'Brexidiots' will begin to realise just how important the UK's membership (discounted!) of the EU is to daily life in the UK.

Of the millions of comments raised by the referendum result, there is one truism that some might wish to ponder:

'Not all Leavers are racist, but all racists voted Leave'

Tom

 

[oldtom]

The web blogger AAV has this today:

Amazingly some people are arguing that British people shouldn't protest against Donald Trump because that might somehow damage Britain's chances of successfully begging him for a post-Brexit trade deal with the United States.

Here are some reasons that this argument is idiotic:

1. One of Trump's favourite catchphrases when it comes to international trade is "America First", so any trade deal Trump does agree to will obviously benefit America and American businesses over Britain and British businesses.

2. Who actually wants our food and consumer standards trashed so the UK market can be opened up to sub-standard American food products like chlorinated chicken and hormone riddled beef (apart from rabidly right-wing Tory types)?

3. One of the main Brextremist arguments is that Britain should quit the EU to pursue free trade deals across the world, but this free trade Brexit idea looks awfully stupid given that we're actually quitting the largest free trade zone on the planet in order to beg for a trade deal with by far the most protectionist US President in decades.

4. The extreme-right and white-supremacist types who support Trump continually use the term "snowflake" to denigrate anyone who dares object to their abusive language and revolting policies (like Trump's child concentration camps), but now they're all crying like babies over a bloody protest balloon!

5. When it comes to bullies appeasement is a very poor idea, because once they see you caving in to their bullying behaviour to give them what they want, they're just going to use the same bully-boy tactics to demand more and more and more.

6. Appeasing extreme-right bullies on the international scene has already been tried.If you don't know what the photo is all about try searching "peace for our time".



Tom

 

[oldtom]

Promoted.....from Health to Foreign Sec?



What an opportunity to flog off the NHS to a foreign power!

A couple of days ago, this chap used a little satire by describing the new occupant of the post of Health Secretary:

https://tuckered.co.uk/2018/07/09/doctor-josef-mengele-appointed-as-the-new-heath-secretary/

Tom

 

[oyster]

no, soft brexit will be a wake up call.
Time to get up and go work in the fields.

It sure as hell won't be coffee we wake up and smell. Far more likely cadaverine and other products of putrescence.