Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

From the Express
"
'Time to back our PM' Jeremy Hunt hails May's Brexit deal after being named Foreign Sec
JEREMY Hunt has vowed to help deliver a successful Brexit after being appointed Foreign Secretary following Boris Johnson's shock resignation.

Well, as Boris proved, it's not a real job is it?

 

[oldtom]

It seems that some people at the Guardian are particularly upset by the recent goings-on within the tory party:



Indeed, things are now so desperate that the cat has decided to 'sling 'is 'ook'.....



Tom

 

[oldtom]

Polly Toynbee of the Guardian sees the present situation with regard to 'Brexit' like this:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/09/cabinet-brexiteer-vision-chilling-neo-thatcherite?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Tom

 

[oldtom]

Well, it seems the wonderful people who make up the NHS are in celebratory mood today following Hunt's removal from the post of Health Secretary:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2202022993147952

Tom

 

[oldtom]

Ah, this will be an improvement!

http://southendnewsnetwork.net/news/paul-and-barry-chuckle-appointed-as-joint-brexit-secretaries/

Tom

 

[Woosh]

I have been watching a QT style debate on Victoria Derbyshire this morning. It seems that public opinion is a little more sympathetic toward second referendum than before.
May Brexit not happen?

 

[Woosh]

a comment posted on the DT today:

"What a ridiculous world.

The Left of the Labour Party is likely to ally with the Right of the Conservative party, which could undermine all the hard-won social gains of the EU and 'F*** business'.

Do any of these clowns know what they're doing or why?"

 

[oldgroaner]

a comment posted on the DT today:

"What a ridiculous world.

The Left of the Labour Party is likely to ally with the Right of the Conservative party, which could undermine all the hard-won social gains of the EU and 'F*** business'.

Do any of these clowns know what they're doing or why?"

The stark truth is that the only legislation for the last forty years worthy of note has either been originated in the EU, or we have suggested it and they gone along with it.
This Parliament of ours has no experience of running the country without someone else holding their hand or preventing their excesses.
Where this Parliament has originated legislation, it's track record doesn't even equate with lamentably bad.
As I said early on in the thread, if we locked the houses of parliament and threw away the key, we would be infinitely better off coasting along in the EU using their rules and regulations.
All our home grown politicians do is make a pigs ear of everything they come into contact with.
What is the biggest fault with the idea of Brexit?
No one in this country is capable of governing it even inside the EU.
Outside only disaster awaits.

 

[Woosh]

the call for a second referendum is gaining attention because of the current parliament arithmetic: there is no majority for any form of brexit.

 

[Danidl]

the call for a second referendum is gaining attention because of the current parliament arithmetic: there is no majority for any form of brexit.

.. is that the sound of pennies dropping?... Or the whine of a fan just as something hits it???

 

[oldgroaner]

From the BBC
"
Tory vice-chairs quit over PM's Brexit plan"

All the more the merrier!

 

[oldgroaner]

From the Independent
"
‘Boris is a friend of mine’: Trump declares Britain is in turmoil as he defends ex-foreign secretary.

And he said this
"“So I have Nato, I have the UK – which is in somewhat turmoil. And I have Putin. Frankly, Putin may be the easiest of all.”

No doubt it will be a good time to say thank you for everything

By their friends shall ye know them

 

[Woosh]

.. is that the sound of pennies dropping?... Or the whine of a fan just as something hits it???

no, just arithmetic. At least six factions will vote tactically in parliament: even if the SNP and LibDems vote together, you still have Con and Con right + DUP, Lab left and Lab. They would rather vote down anything they don't like so if you have 6 choices of brexit, you get one faction to support it, 5 against. The chance that 4 factions out of 6 vote for any one brexit is tiny.

 

[oldtom]

Now two more traitorous tory MPs have demonstrated their complete lack of loyalty towards the party leader........

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-ben-bradley-maria-caulfield-conservative-vice-chairs-resign-theresa-may-chequers-plan-a8440786.html

Clearly, May is unable to control her party and cannot be viewed as a safe pair of hands, able to lead the nation. What does it take to get rid of these hateful people whose sole concern is self-aggrandisement?

Tom

 

[Woosh]

Clearly, May is unable to control her party and cannot be viewed as a safe pair of hands, able to lead the nation. What does it take to get rid of these hateful people whose sole concern is self-aggrandisement?

I don't think JC would do any better under the same circumstance.

 

[oyster]

Now two more traitorous tory MPs have demonstrated their complete lack of loyalty towards the party leader........

Worse, by far, lack of loyalty to their constituents.

 

[oyster]

there is no majority for any form of brexit.

You can imagine a situation in which a general election has returned a remain government and the brexiteers would still be claiming WillOfThePeople.

 

[Woosh]

You can imagine a situation in which a general election has returned a remain government and the brexiteers would still be claiming WillOfThePeople.

I don't pay much attention to that kind of argument because if voters can't change their mind then it's not democracy.

 

[oyster]

Frankly, Putin may be the easiest of all.

There is a lot I don't like about Putin and the Russian establishment, but the very last thing I would do is suggest they would in any way be "easy".

 

[oyster]

I don't pay much attention to that kind of argument because if voters can't change their mind then it's not democracy.

I certainly agree there. Without that possibility there would be no point in any of it.