Brexit,actually the UK has come out rather well.
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It wasn't me who said they'd been job looses, because of Brexit.
Even in my little company, we've made cut backs and didn't take on the apprentice we had planned last year. We've cut marketing and had to pull out of shows. We've even dropped one brand.
If you don't think all these little things have impacts, you are mistaken.
I have been away from here for a few months & only came back for an early morning browse and to mention some people in need of your help but I am intrigued by way that Brexit has become so angrily debated on a forum about Bikes.
Fair play to the trade members who have pinned their colours to the mast so openly..........
Back in 1975 I voted in the EEC membership referendum, I was influenced by the fact that I felt that joining the Common Market would be a slap in the face to our Commonwealth friends in Australia and New Zealand and Tony Benn was warning about the dangers of us creeping towards a United States of Europe, less control over our laws and the introduction of a single currency.
I voted to stay out, most of the other people in the UK voted to stay in, I shrugged my shoulders and got on with it, I am sure that some of the more passionate 'losers' must have complained but most people voted in so the best thing to was to get on with it.
The next time I took any real interest in what was going on was when the Euro came along, I was travelling by road to lots of European cities by then and my business was small but doing alright, if I had been given the choice to join the Euro I would have taken it. It would be convenient and make us more integrated into Europe wouldn't it? We didn't join (phew) and so I had to get on with changing my Pounds to Euros.
Next up (for me) came Tony Blair and the twisting and turning relating to the European Constitution and the Lisbon Treaty. Too busy to take all that stuff in but he was a British Prime Minister so I knew I could trust him!
In 2007 my company established a relationship with a large American Company that involves regularly visiting Brussels, I have learnt several things as a result, don't leave an English registered car (or in my instance van) parked on the side of the road near the Botanical Gardens, it will be vandalised, Brussels has a really good motor museum, Belgian beers are great as long as you drink them in Belgium - the size and number of EU buildings there is mind boggling, the departmental names on those buildings are unfathomable and you cannot afford to drink or eat in the trendy bars and cafes in the 'EU Quarter' unless you have an expense account.
I treasure our relationship with fellow Europeans, breathe a sigh of relief if I am greeted by an Eastern European accent in a shop or hotel here in the U.K. because the service is usually better than I would otherwise get.
We are stuck with the result of the referendum, like it or not. There were an awful lot of people who cared enough to actually go and vote us out, if you really believe that things are going to be that bad get off of your a**e and try to mitigate the effects it may have on you and the rest of this very fortunate country. The outcome is not a matter of life and death - however, here comes the plug:
Children are starving to death in Yemen as a result of a proxy war often fought with British & other European made bullets please choose a suitable charity and give - its urgent, far more urgent than Article 50.
Fair play to the trade members who have pinned their colours to the mast so openly..........
Back in 1975 I voted in the EEC membership referendum, I was influenced by the fact that I felt that joining the Common Market would be a slap in the face to our Commonwealth friends in Australia and New Zealand and Tony Benn was warning about the dangers of us creeping towards a United States of Europe, less control over our laws and the introduction of a single currency.
I voted to stay out, most of the other people in the UK voted to stay in, I shrugged my shoulders and got on with it, I am sure that some of the more passionate 'losers' must have complained but most people voted in so the best thing to was to get on with it.
The next time I took any real interest in what was going on was when the Euro came along, I was travelling by road to lots of European cities by then and my business was small but doing alright, if I had been given the choice to join the Euro I would have taken it. It would be convenient and make us more integrated into Europe wouldn't it? We didn't join (phew) and so I had to get on with changing my Pounds to Euros.
Next up (for me) came Tony Blair and the twisting and turning relating to the European Constitution and the Lisbon Treaty. Too busy to take all that stuff in but he was a British Prime Minister so I knew I could trust him!
In 2007 my company established a relationship with a large American Company that involves regularly visiting Brussels, I have learnt several things as a result, don't leave an English registered car (or in my instance van) parked on the side of the road near the Botanical Gardens, it will be vandalised, Brussels has a really good motor museum, Belgian beers are great as long as you drink them in Belgium - the size and number of EU buildings there is mind boggling, the departmental names on those buildings are unfathomable and you cannot afford to drink or eat in the trendy bars and cafes in the 'EU Quarter' unless you have an expense account.
I treasure our relationship with fellow Europeans, breathe a sigh of relief if I am greeted by an Eastern European accent in a shop or hotel here in the U.K. because the service is usually better than I would otherwise get.
We are stuck with the result of the referendum, like it or not. There were an awful lot of people who cared enough to actually go and vote us out, if you really believe that things are going to be that bad get off of your a**e and try to mitigate the effects it may have on you and the rest of this very fortunate country. The outcome is not a matter of life and death - however, here comes the plug:
Children are starving to death in Yemen as a result of a proxy war often fought with British & other European made bullets please choose a suitable charity and give - its urgent, far more urgent than Article 50.
If I had been at a rugby match which ended 17 16 points the only conclusion I would have drawn is that it was a very close result. I would have accepted that one side had ground out a victory. The supposition that there was therefore a mandate for change was and still is false. The success of the "brexiteers" has been to confuse the UK population , since the referendum that there was a will of the people which had to be appeased. There was not much a mandate. There was no requirement to leave, the difference between that and and the rugby match where there is a requirement for league progression. Is stark.
What was disturbing in the recent Westminster debate was that the substantial issue was never addressed, by those responsible for your well-being ... What would be gained by the UK as against what would be lost. The bulk of the debate was squandered on modalities instead.
parliament voted only to start the process and make it possible to trigger A50 before April. The fight will carry on until the next general election.
What will really be interesting is what will happen in an election to the MP's who followed their constituents majority views by voting against the majority vote... (if that makes any sense)
We are constantly told that a lot of people want to change their minds, or didn't understand they were voting for the wrong option..
A by election might shed some light on this!
We are constantly told that a lot of people want to change their minds, or didn't understand they were voting for the wrong option..
A by election might shed some light on this!
Rugby supporters are a level headed lot, so a better analogy might be a football match where the loosers feel so aggrieved with the officials causing the loss that they refuse to accept the result and go on a rampage to make their point..
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Maybe next time a new dealer approaches you, who has plans to become an ebiking super-centre, you shouldn't refuse him just because he sells Stromers (which are sold with registration documents) because you think are illegal.
Having a petty agenda like that will do more harm to your business than brexit. He's now signed up with one of your competitors, who I'm sure will do very nicely out of the deal maybe enough to employ an apprentice and expand their marketing department.
If a dealer sells bikes we're not comfortable being sold next to KTM, or has an attitude we're not happy with we refuse them an account.
I know the shop you're talking about and I quote:
"More recently however, we have become involved in the building, maintenance and sale of ElectricBikes, and a number of us here at ‘*******’ have even developed our own personal bicycles which can exceed 40 mph with their powerful electric motors and battery combinations."
Which is why we didn't supply them. I'm sorry you don't agree with our stance, but I can assure you its not a petty agenda, and we can all look back in a couple of years and see how things pan out. We don't need the business so would rather support dealers who don't brag about making 40mph eBikes in their application emails.
We also refuse to supply dealers who sell dongles or promote their use.
Why do you supply Damian Harris then?
They list KTM bikes alongside 30mph Stromers.
because as d8ve has said, its possible to sell and use the Stromers legally, we sell lots of KTMs to shops that sell lots of different types of motorbikes.
Woosh, as I have stated on a number of occasions and provided the actual text of article 50, once the process has commenced any opposition in the UK parliament is irrelevant. It was very disheartening to read that none of the MPs seemed to have realised that. Had they not read it or had they accepted ill-founded alternative interpretations. We the Irish have a capacity for creative ambiguity, but the Germans and the Dutch do not have that gift
Mrs May is not going to reverse brexit.
The fight I referred to is who will form the next UK government.
I agree that once A50 is triggered, brexit is practically going to happen.
From there on, reversing it or rejoining the EU will require agreement of all EU27 members.
I still think the EU27 need the UK more than UK needs the EU so a reversal of brexit would not be opposed by EU27 members.
The fight I referred to is who will form the next UK government.
I agree that once A50 is triggered, brexit is practically going to happen.
From there on, reversing it or rejoining the EU will require agreement of all EU27 members.
I still think the EU27 need the UK more than UK needs the EU so a reversal of brexit would not be opposed by EU27 members.
To avoid a repeat of the UK's past constant demands for special treatment, I'm sure the 27 would insist on a rejoin on full membership terms, rather than an article 50 reversal to what existed before.
They may be lots of things, but they aren't stupid.
About the only thing we might be able to avoid is the euro.
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Rugby as well now, I have always respected rugby players for taking it on the chin, respecting the rules, accepting defeat and moving on to the next challenge - as a team.
Most of us (including the politicians) thought that remain was a foregone conclusion - it wasn't - we have to live with the consequences no matter how scary.
Time to roll our sleeves up!
I don't think that follows, in politics our disagreements remain and we try to reverse opposing decisions. That is why in parliament we have an opposition.
Like nearly half of the voters I am completely opposed to our leaving the EU and will continue to desire and fight for a reversal of what I believe is a foolish decision. Should we still leave, the fight then will be to rejoin asap.
The greater our failure following departure, the more likely that we will rejoin, so I have no interest in softening the effects of leaving through my own efforts.
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Most? . Probably wishful thinking but If that is there view they need to articulate it to the only people who matter ... Their MP
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