Brake disc compatibility with front hub motor

Fordulike

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I'd like some feedback from anyone who has fitted a front hub motor to a bike with disc brakes.
Do discs have a standard fitting system to the hub whether motorised or standard wheel?
Does the calliper have any scope for adjustment across the axis if the alignment is slightly out?
Anything i should observe or watch out for?
Would it be better for my first build to use a bike with V brakes instead?
 

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I'd like some feedback from anyone who has fitted a front hub motor to a bike with disc brakes.
Do discs have a standard fitting system to the hub whether motorised or standard wheel?
Does the calliper have any scope for adjustment across the axis if the alignment is slightly out?
Anything i should observe or watch out for?
Would it be better for my first build to use a bike with V brakes instead?
I put this years Alien kit onto my Powertrek ( left the original rear wheel hub cos I`ve not been well:D

Anyway! things were very tight(VERY TIGHT) but with a bit of grinding of the caliper mount I managed to get clearance (just) the problems were close to the inside of the forks and close to the spokes but by using the packing piece that was supplied with the wheel I just managed to get enough clearance. I had already converted to a V brake but the new front wheel was way out of true( in a number of places) and after attempting to true the wheel up and stop the juddering I gave up and worked on the disk. In fairness to Alien the engineer( Roy) said if I can`t get the wheel trued up just send it back and he would sort it( I might do that one day) This was on a suspension fork BTW. On a non sprung fork things would be much better.

Dave
 

Fordulike

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Oh dear, this doesn't sound promising. Might have to go the rear hub route and have a balls ache with getting the gears to work instead :mad:
 

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Oh dear, this doesn't sound promising. Might have to go the rear hub route and have a balls ache with getting the gears to work instead :mad:

Haven`t you got the bosses built into the forks for caliper brakes? if so then no problems, try the disk and if too tight go to v Brakes.
 

Fordulike

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The bike i'm buying already has a front disc brake system. So you're saying that fitting a front hub motor to this should be ok?
 

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The bike i'm buying already has a front disc brake system. So you're saying that fitting a front hub motor to this should be ok?
Should be OK! does it have sprung forks? also, can you get close to the bike and take some measurements before purchase? and confirm if it has the caliper brake bosses built onto the forks?

What you have to keep in mind is that the front hub takes up a lot of width unlike a normal disk front wheel. I`ll do some measuring if you want. You might hit a similar problem to me in as much as the mounting lugs for the caliper might not be in the right place for a wide E hub.
 

Fordulike

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Should be OK! does it have sprung forks? also, can you get close to the bike and take some measurements before purchase? and confirm if it has the caliper brake bosses built onto the forks?

What you have to keep in mind is that the front hub takes up a lot of width unlike a normal disk front wheel. I`ll do some measuring if you want. You might hit a similar problem to me in as much as the mounting lugs for the caliper might not be in the right place for a wide E hub.
Unfortunately, the bike i was going to get has been discontinued, i'll get back to you when i've found another one ;)
 

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In answer to your original questions,

Do discs have a standard fitting system to the hub whether motorised or standard wheel?Yes they do. It is called IS mount (International Standard) and features 6 bolts arranged in the same pattern so discs are interchangeable. Beware though that some hub motors for some bizarre reasons, use their own fitment. :confused: Not many do thoese days but back when Ezee were the first to try it their fitment wasn't IS, and I have heard of a few who were the same.


Does the calliper have any scope for adjustment across the axis if the alignment is slightly out?This depends on the caliper mount. Some forks/frames use IS mount, which is 2 holes that look like beefed up mudguard mounts. other methods are Post mount, favoured by Manitou and the latest Marzocchi forks, these mounts bolt straight to the fork. Your disc brakes will have an adaptor to fit the correct type, and this also corresponds to the size of the rotor (the actual brake disc). Most either allow you to undo 5mm allen bolt to micro-adjust the caliper across the axis, and some (namely Hope) use a shim system to allow you to get the correct fitment. You can also use a 'facing' tool to remove fractions of mm's from the mount to adjust the opposite way. These are often used on cheap frames where the tolerances on the mounts are not accurate, or they have been painted over. The tool is incredibly expensive, although most 'good' bike shops will have one.

Anything i should observe or watch out for? Make sure your hub is 6-bolt IS mounting type, always use threadlock on the disc rotor bolts whenever you remove them, and when bolting the rotor to the hub, unsure the bolts are long enough to not rip out under heavy braking, but not too long to damage the internal thread on the hub.

Would it be better for my first build to use a bike with V brakes instead? V-brakes are more than adequate tbh, the reason discs are so popular is that they perform well in all weathers, dont clog with mud and you dont get rim wear on high mileage. If none of this is if benefit to you it's not really orth the hassle.

One other thing to bare in mind, most front hub motors are very tight on space, but the bigger the rotor you fit, the further away from the hub the caliper will be, hence the better the fit. The bigger the rotor though, and the more snappy the brake will be. Also you will need a bigger rotor and caliper adaptor. Most standard rotors are around 160mm but you can get oversized ones around the 200mm mark.

I hope that is if some help, I will stop here as my fingers ache, but if you need any help on disc setup just drop me a line. I have retro fitted enough in my time :(
 
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Fordulike

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Thanks to Old Timer and Lloyd for providing me with some informative answers :)
 

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I've got the Galileo by Powered Bicycles and it has a 6 bolt IS mounting type for the front hub motor rotor but due to the larger axle bolt going through the hub the bolt holes are further from the centre than a normal IS mount, meaning you can't fit a standard rotor to it.

What I'm saying is, even if it looks like a standard 6 bolt IS rotor mount on the hub motor, be careful of the exact dimensions of those holes! Having said that, most front hub motor kits that I've seen that support a front rotor also come with a front rotor fitted which kind of avoids the problem.
 

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I've got the Galileo by Powered Bicycles and it has a 6 bolt IS mounting type for the front hub motor rotor but due to the larger axle bolt going through the hub the bolt holes are further from the centre than a normal IS mount, meaning you can't fit a standard rotor to it.

What I'm saying is, even if it looks like a standard 6 bolt IS rotor mount on the hub motor, be careful of the exact dimensions of those holes! Having said that, most front hub motor kits that I've seen that support a front rotor also come with a front rotor fitted which kind of avoids the problem.
Thanks Caph, think i'm gonna stick with an all-round V brake system to avoid disappointment on my first build ;)
 

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Thanks Caph, think i'm gonna stick with an all-round V brake system to avoid disappointment on my first build ;)

I think that makes sense;) and besides, there is nothing wrong with V brakes at all.
 

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I've got the Galileo by Powered Bicycles and it has a 6 bolt IS mounting type for the front hub motor rotor but due to the larger axle bolt going through the hub the bolt holes are further from the centre than a normal IS mount, meaning you can't fit a standard rotor to it.

What I'm saying is, even if it looks like a standard 6 bolt IS rotor mount on the hub motor, be careful of the exact dimensions of those holes! Having said that, most front hub motor kits that I've seen that support a front rotor also come with a front rotor fitted which kind of avoids the problem.
This years road legal Alien kit doesn`t come with a disk:(
 
diskbrake is no problem on the new Bafang swxk modell ceck the photo of the old and new.
The new modell of swxk you can use with 160mmdisk

regards
frank
 
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