BMS Battery conversion kit

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I paid less than £20 IIRC. £205 is miles too much. How did they calculate that? It's very worrying.
 

Hurricane

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I paid less than £20 IIRC. £205 is miles too much. How did they calculate that? It's very worrying.

I reckon it is 25% Both batteries cost £802 so a quarter is £200. VAT is 20% and import tax I am guessing at 5%

Just wasn't expecting such a hit, That makes each battery costing just over £500 That is more than the Synergie Cruiser for the whole bike!
 

alban

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May 25, 2011
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Is that just with FedEx Frank? Or are Chinese imports with all couriers randomly going to be checked and +25% I wonder, as that is the quoted customs rate.... Makes for a nervous wait!
 

NRG

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Oct 6, 2009
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Seems the belt is being tightened. Just been stung for an extra £16 on a £20 item from HK, that's £4 VAT plus a ' clearence fee' from a company in London that I've never heard of. If this continues I'll certainly pull back my spending which completely goes against what's needed in these times of financial worry...
 

indalo

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Sep 13, 2009
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Seems the belt is being tightened. Just been stung for an extra £16 on a £20 item from HK, that's £4 VAT plus a ' clearence fee' from a company in London that I've never heard of. If this continues I'll certainly pull back my spending which completely goes against what's needed in these times of financial worry...
Greed is king, NRG. Some things never change.

Indalo
 

banbury frank

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Jan 13, 2011
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Hi I think the customs have collected so much more revenue that things will change

the Original problem was Counterfeit goods like branded clothes handbags Ect


The low value was a give away

and the Christmas rush was the time to clamp down and stop the flood

Our suppliers say they are given goverment incentives for export so value is important

But even with the 25% I would still recommend BMS in china for Value for money

And they do deliver a good product

Not the cheapest but the are real and will deliver can take up to 6 weeks

Pay by paypal so your payment is protected

bike conversion kit, ebike kit

Frank
 

wurly

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Aug 2, 2008
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Uh oh!
I checked the progress of my shipment tonight and found this....

'Tendered for delivery without success because of outstanding payment of charges. The item is being held and the addressee is being notified.'

I wonder how they'll calculate this?

It's my bpm motor, i suppose they'll be looking for a copy of the invoice?

Happy Christmas everyone
 

NRG

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Oct 6, 2009
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VAT plus duty plus 'handling charge'....there was a bit on the news tonight about customs clamping down on counterfeit goods but its also affecting normal 'traffic' as well, there are tightening up it would appear.
 
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Uh oh!
I checked the progress of my shipment tonight and found this....

'Tendered for delivery without success because of outstanding payment of charges. The item is being held and the addressee is being notified.'

I wonder how they'll calculate this?

It's my bpm motor, i suppose they'll be looking for a copy of the invoice?

Happy Christmas everyone
Bad luck. Hopefully they'll just use the value on the paperwork (about $50), so it won't be too much. keep us informed. Merry Xmas.
 

morphix

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Oct 24, 2010
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I have nothing to add really to the excellent replies made already, just wanted to share my own experience.. I went for a front-wheel motor for ease of fitting and removal as I was worried about getting a puncture..but I don't think that should really be a deciding factor. I ended up fitting puncture-proof tyres and never needing to use my gears. On my next conversion I will do a rear wheel as I think it looks more discrete. I would agree with the other posters, you need a bigger battery probably for 350W than 10Ah..but I guess it depends how you plan to ride and how far.. 10Ah is probably borderline or minimum power for that size motor I would imagine. I used to ride with 5Ah which was borderline/minimal for 250W, 10Ah upgrade made a big difference on the hills.
 

Hurricane

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Jan 31, 2010
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Finally found some time to spend on my new build this weekend and took it out for it's test run. I fitted a 10a circuit breaker to use as a switch and it obviously is not big enough which I found out on climbing the first hill. Still not much of an issue as a larger one should fix the problem.

The other thing I found is the pedelec stops working after about 10mph. It is fine up to that speed then as I go into 4th gear it stop's working. I have checked the connections to the controller and all seem's fine.

Any idea's what the problem could be?

Thanks for all the help so far it is much appreciated.

Alan
 
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Finally found some time to spend on my new build this weekend and took it out for it's test run. I fitted a 10a circuit breaker to use as a switch and it obviously is not big enough which I found out on climbing the first hill. Still not much of an issue as a larger one should fix the problem.

The other thing I found is the pedelec stops working after about 10mph. It is fine up to that speed then as I go into 4th gear it stop's working. I have checked the connections to the controller and all seem's fine.

Any idea's what the problem could be?

Thanks for all the help so far it is much appreciated.

Alan
It works on speed. You have to pedal at a certain speed before you get power, then the power is proportional to your pedaling speed. Change down and you get so much power that you can't pedal fast enough; change up and you lose power, which makes the bike slow down: Not very clever really! That's why I changed to my cruise control.
 

Hurricane

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Jan 31, 2010
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Perthshire
Spot on description d8veh. Up to 3rd gear It pulled really well and I could not pedal fast enough then into 4th and the pedal assist disappears, slow down to 3rd and it is back again. I see now why you use the cruise control. I did test mine and it works great. Suppose I will get used to the pedelec if that is the way it works. I thought maybe I had something wired up incorrectly.

Despite this first impressions of the bike are very positive. I do need to change the gearing a bit. 7th gear on the rear is 14 teeth and the front outer is 42t. I really would like 52t on the front but so far can only find 48t to fit Shimano Alivio 4 bolt 104pcd crank.

Anybody know where to find 52 teeth outer ring to fit?
 
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Once you get used to it, it isn't so bad: You just have to think about your pedalling speed. You can get a rear gearset from Cyclezee with an 11T top gear, which should solve your gearing. I use a 52/14T setup that is nice for going between 16 and 20mph, and I change down from 7th to 6th when I get to 15mph. I have a fairly lazy cadence of about 70.
 

torrent99

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Nov 14, 2008
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Bad luck. Hopefully they'll just use the value on the paperwork (about $50), so it won't be too much. keep us informed. Merry Xmas.
I got stung on a second hand keyboard. Trouble is they charged 20% VAT on £108 rather than $108 as was clearly specified on the docket. Oh and £8 quid handling charge. This was Parcel Farce....

Thinking about getting a Ping battery but this is making me think twice....
 

Hurricane

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Jan 31, 2010
118
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Just been out for first proper run on the Dawes. Gave it a 20 mile test up as many hills as I could find locally. It performed really well. The hills simply disappear. Cruise control is a fanatastic tool when you get used to it. Probably just as well since the pedelec is pretty useless. Works fine up to 10mph then fades away. Open the throttle and hold it at preferred speed for a few seconds and the cruise kicks in.

Hydraulic disk brakes are excellent and have a solid feel.

It really coped well on the hills though which is what I wanted. I am most impressed. far better than my 250w bike. Just hope it has a good range.

Special thanks must go to d8veh and Scottyf for their assistance on here and to catsnapper for building the wheel and supplying the kit.

I have a few pictures if anyone is interested.


Pictures by hurricane868 - Photobucket
 

Hurricane

Pedelecer
Jan 31, 2010
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Perthshire
Nice result. Can you itemise all the costs?
Okay Cost of bike is:

Dawes 1.8xc bike 300
350w BPM Kit 160
Ping 20ah Battery 508
Spiral wrap 4
Mudguards 17
On/Off Switch 12
Anderson Powerpoles 23
Circuit breaker 4
Mirrcycle mirror 12
48t outer Ring 15
Rear Pannier Rack 18
Kick Stand 6

TOTAL 1079

Crickey I didn't think it was that much. I hadn't intended spending as much but it is a cracking bike and worth every penny.. Just need to get better weather now so I can use it.

The Claud Butler for the Mrs is taking shape now too. Just waiting for some more parts to arrive and it will be ready. Have tested the motor and controller, throttle etc on the bike in my shed and all seems good to go.

Alan
 
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The Alien Aurora at approx £1000 is the nearest equivalent to your bike, but you have a 20aH Ping, which allows you to exploit the full potential of the motor for effortless hill-climbing and long range. With the smaller battery, the Aurora, though better than most ready-mades, still can't do that.
I hope you get as much enjoyment out of your bike as I do from mine

p.s. A Cycle Analyst will make it complete
 

NRG

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Oct 6, 2009
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Yep, it may seem expensive but its got a great battery and is custom made to your specs and so its unique!