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[Artstu]

My Kudos Arriba is available with speed or torque sensor,quite frankly when this batch is exhausted I will not make any more torque sensor bikes,the speed outsells the torque 20:1.

Is that true? Therefore I take it that salesmen are misinforming customers, or e-bike customers are really lazy?

Customers approach at shows and there local super expensive bike shop has recommended a crank drive bike,that is usually because that's what they have in stock and that makes the most profit. But on explaining to the customer that a torque sensor bike requires you to put effort in,to get power out....if your legs are tired you still have to exert pressure on the pedals,not many understand that. Whereas a speed sensor will give you the max power available irrespective of how much effort you put into the pedals.
The torque sensor bike has to be ridden like a normal bike,to get the best out of the bike you have to ensure that the bike is pretty much ridden in the correct gear,whereas the hub bike with wide torque spread allows some flexibility on gear selection,many I would say most prefer the latter.
D8veh and I have ridden dozens of bikes in all configurations,the knowledge that D8veh has built up is invaluable to forum members and newbies find his clear explanations a breath of fresh air amongst all the bullshit pushed out by some who think they know it all but actually their knowledge is dangerously limited to one bike type.
The 'experts' who recommended a crank drive,torque sensor bike to a lady with tired legs should apologise to the OP,she may have gone out to buy a bike on that bad advice,it would have proven totally unsuitable.
Back from China with 10 new bikes in build,all simple hub drive/speed sensor...
KudosDave

That makes me sad that your bikes are taking a backwards step. However I'd like to think you know your customer requirements better than me. I can't help but think some poor choices are being made here.

 

[Kudoscycles]

I think it's necessary because about 60% of middle England won't rest until it's tested by a referendum and even if the referendum decides we stay, they still won't rest. It's just heart over mind. The only way they'll relent is after Brexit, the economy worsens to such a point.
It's also the best time to do it, the polls showed about 60 in 40 out when they announced the date. It's now 53 in, 47 out, the margin may narrow still further. It will come down to the weather. The Brexiters will go out to vote whatever the weather, the Bremainers may be a bit too lazy if it's rainy.

Trex....June 23rd is my birthday,weather will be lovely....which doesn't help because I will be in Greece.
Dave

 

[RobF]

Trex....June 23rd is my birthday,weather will be lovely....which doesn't help because I will be in Greece.
Dave

Philip Green's old yacht is available if you fancy upgrading yours.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-sir-philip-greens-opulent-7857760

 

[Kudoscycles]

Is that true? Therefore I take it that salesmen are misinforming customers, or e-bike customers are really lazy?



That makes me sad that your bikes are taking a backwards step. However I'd like to think you know your customer requirements better than me. I can't help but think some poor choices are being made here.

The U.K. volume market is hub drive,less than £1000,throttle,as much hill climbing power as legally available,lots of colour choice...it isn't sophisticated,that represents 70% of the U.K.
The plus £1500 market is absolutely flooded with Bosch/Yamaha/Steps motored bikes,in reality all pretty good bikes,but much the same.
The Bafang Max Drive unit is a wonderful motor but it is expensive and doesn't have a German name.
Having said that I have some interesting new bikes coming out,niche bikes to do a niche job,that the big players have ignored....still about 2 months from release.
KudosDave

 

[trex]

That makes me sad that your bikes are taking a backwards step. However I'd like to think you know your customer requirements better than me. I can't help but think some poor choices are being made here.

Woosh have also stopped bringing in the TS bike. AFAIK, the problem is not so much people don't like the TS, they just like the throttle better, easily 20 to 1 as KD said.
The throttle is simpler to operate, more responsive and easily £70 cheaper. I bet you if Bosch fitted throttle to their bikes, a lot of people will prefer it too.

 

[Artstu]

I shall look forward to this Niche bike, Hey you could do a poll with a few options,and we can guess, although I realise you're short of time with such an important weekend coming up, I have a feeling it's going to be a quiet one this year. Good luck though.

 

[Kudoscycles]

Philip Green's old yacht is available if you fancy upgrading yours.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-sir-philip-greens-opulent-7857760

Owning that would be my worst nightmare....I like my boat,I am allowed to steer it myself,park it myself and use it as a couple with my wife,
in privacy.
The crew get the most fun out of those big yachts,drinking the owners beer,partying when he's not there and the cost of running those boats is mind blowing....I parked next to Armani's latest jet drive toy,the crew told me they had just travelled 210 miles across the Adriatic at average speed of 45 knots,used 21000 litres of fuel.
Dave

 

[Artstu]

Woosh have also stopped bringing in the TS bike. AFAIK, the problem is not so much people don't like the TS, they just like the throttle better, easily 20 to 1 as KD said.
The throttle is simpler to operate, more responsive and easily £70 cheaper. I bet you if Bosch fitted throttle to their bikes, a lot of people will prefer it too.

All these developments could make that "which bike for me question" easier to answer. If the buyer isn't lazy we can at least discount two brands instantly.

 

[Artstu]

they had just travelled 210 miles across the Adriatic at average speed of 45 knots,used 21000 litres of fuel.

flippin heck.

 

[trex]

All these developments could make that "which bike for me question" easier to answer. If the buyer isn't lazy we can at least discount two brands instantly.

it's nothing to do with being lazy. They wouldn't want a bike if they were.
it's much more of a question of budget.
The throttle costs under a fiver, the TS £70+, a significant percentage on the price of the bike for something that a lot of us don't even need (throttle or TS is only needed for hill start).
You can regulate the assistance with just the assist levels and the built in cadence sensor on all the bikes. The Gtech is a good example of this 'KISS' approach.

 

[RobF]

A mate of mine had a boat for a while, smallish, but it had a cabin and somewhere to sleep.

He got fed up with the running costs, a day trip to Hartlepool - about 15 miles in the car - cost him £100+ in fuel for the boat.

 

[Artstu]

it's nothing to do with being lazy.

I don't think that's the case, it seems to me that more and more people are looking at pedelecs as a sort of electric motor vehicle.

We need a sticky post in this section, with the usual questions and answers, new members then quickly hone in on the types of bikes they should be looking at.

 

[trex]

I don't think that's the case, it seems to me that more and more people are looking at pedelecs as a sort of electric motor vehicle.

you are entitled to your views, but I can assure you that to most people I have shown an e-bike to, that's just not the case. Most people do not want to pay for things they don't need. If you give it to them for free, they will accept, nothing to do with wanting a motorbike.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

There's a problem between forum members and guys that come on the forum looking for advice about bikes. We tend to be enthuiasts trying to get an ideal bike for our needs. In reality, there's not a massive difference in the function of different bikes except in special circumstances.

The average guy probably wants an electric bike because he/she likes the idea of the freedom a bicycle offers, but he/she hasn't got the wherewithal or the motivation to put in the effort to propel it. All they want is a bicycle with easy pedalling. The easier, the better. Some of them will go on to become enthuiasts. and become more discerning.

I've spent many hours at shows and in electric bike shops and listened to what the punters say. Most of them haven't a clue, so they'll take whatever the dealer says is best for them. Put them on any electric bike and they'll come back smiling. The first thing they say is, "wow". the worse ones to deal with are those that have done their "research" on the internet and come charged up with all the myths and fallacies that some people publish.

If bicycles is bad, you should see all the bullsh!t that floats around electric guitars. In my massive collection, I have some that cost many thousands. My favourite to play cost £54 direct from China. I stuck a Gibson decal on the headstock, and everybody that played it said how nicely it played and how beautiful it sounded, and I had many offers for it if I ever wanted to sell it. There were normally gasps of disbelief when I showed them that the decal is a fake.

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

Glad to see thread has continued in better spirit.
The debate was not centred around advice , good or bad, for bike purchase.In every case I read posters finished with try as many as possible in conditions you are likely to encounter.( or words to that effect)
The contentious issue was D8veh deciding he can tell a poster he,s talking bolux for saying.
"Bosch system gives as near as is possible a feeling of a natural bike" ( or very similar)
That's not remotely bad advice,, completely subjective and should not give D8 ( or anyone else) the prerogative to tell poster he,s talking bolux. If pointing this out makes me argumentitive then so be it.
Then thread is closed, and up comes Kudos demanding apologies,( for things nobody said??) completely negating moderators closure of thread.???

??????

Amazingly d8 then tells insulted poster he should be apologizing ???

Like poster replied
" who the f... does d8 think he is ?"
My sentiments exactly.

And before d8 and co start shouting about trying this bike or another..
I,ve tried an awful lot.
I have not driven a Trabant but know full well it ain't going to drive like a Boxster..

 

[Jimod]

Glad to see thread has continued in better spirit.
The debate was not centred around advice , good or bad, for bike purchase.In every case I read posters finished with try as many as possible in conditions you are likely to encounter.( or words to that effect)
The contentious issue was D8veh deciding he can tell a poster he,s talking bolux for saying.
"Bosch system gives as near as is possible a feeling of a natural bike" ( or very similar)
That's not remotely bad advice,, completely subjective and should not give D8 ( or anyone else) the prerogative to tell poster he,s talking bolux. If pointing this out makes me argumentitive then so be it.
Then thread is closed, and up comes Kudos demanding apologies,( for things nobody said??) completely negating moderators closure of thread.???

??????

Amazingly d8 then tells insulted poster he should be apologizing ???

Like poster replied
" who the f... does d8 think he is ?"
My sentiments exactly.

And before d8 and co start shouting about trying this bike or another..
I,ve tried an awful lot.
I have not driven a Trabant but know full well it ain't going to drive like a Boxster..

Eventually there comes a time to give it a rest. In my opinion, for you, that time is now.

 

[Plasmadaddy]

Eventually there comes a time to give it a rest. In my opinion, for you, that time is now.

Oh, so totally agree!

I often wonder what these people are like in real life?
It seems a keyboard and a monitor give people the right to be rude, opinionated and overbearing!

I ride 2 Haibikes, one Yamaha powered the other Bosch powered. I love them both but I'm a comparative newbie - I'd never for one moment recommend them to anyone asking for advice on which bike is best for them.

As the experts here on the forum have said a million times - GO TRY A FEW OUT, then decide which is best for you.....

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

Oh, so totally agree!

I often wonder what these people are like in real life?
It seems a keyboard and a monitor give people the right to be rude, opinionated and overbearing!

I ride 2 Haibikes, one Yamaha powered the other Bosch powered. I love them both but I'm a comparative newbie - I'd never for one moment recommend them to anyone asking for advice on which bike is best for them.

As the experts here on the forum have said a million times - GO TRY A FEW OUT, then decide which is best for you.....

Yes I agree..
Good cycling.

 

[Plasmadaddy]

Yes I agree..
Good cycling.

Whoosh............

 

[(NoLongerRegistered#15675)]

Whoosh............

No Haibike...