Battery leap on the horizon

Danidl

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That followed carbon nano tubes, which also got nowhere.

Announcements of battery advances are like political manifestos, full of promise never to be realised.
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It takes longer for a new technology to make the transition from lab to mass production than is being assumed. Anyway nanocarbon tubes would be a species of graphene . We can assume that there will be improvements in energy density in future.
Motors will not get much better,. they have already had 100 years of development, stronger magnets will make them a bit lighter , but that all.
However there are plenty of other chemistries being explored.

A completely out of the box concept is to use bottles of cryogenically cold air driving a motor. The energy density is surprisingly high.
 
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It takes longer for a new technology to make the transition from lab to mass production than is being assumed.
It certainly does, that's why we still start our vehicles with fundamentally two century old technology.

So much for all the "great leaps forward" meanwhile, they've all involved problematic compromises. I've been watching the snail's pace of battery progress for many decades and I haven't got much longer left to see a real "giant leap".
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It certainly does, that's why we still start our vehicles with fundamentally two century old technology.

So much for all the "great leaps forward" meanwhile, they've all involved problematic compromises. I've been watching the snail's pace of battery progress for many decades and I haven't got much longer left to see a real "giant leap".
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Sorry but you still start your vehicles with old technology because the companies making them make more profit than they would if they used modern technology. Don't believe me? Go ask Elon Musk...
 

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Sorry but you still start your vehicles with old technology because the companies making them make more profit than they would if they used modern technology. Don't believe me? Go ask Elon Musk...
I don't buy that, Elon Musk has a huge commercial bias shaping his views.

If it was purely financial the makers of the hugely expensive luxury end cars would do different, but they don't. The fact is I know from all my motor industry connected years that the makers would love to get rid of the inconvenient lead-acid weight and bulk, but none of the new technologies measure up to all the demands in the same way.

If one of them ever does, even if very expensive, it will go straight into cars at the expensive end of the market.
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Look how long it took them to go from vented batteries which used to spew acid all through the engine bay to sealed gel type and yet the sealed gel type had been available in the maritime sector for years. A high discharge lithium battery is pretty easy to make but would cost a lot more than a lead acid battery and every penny counts when you are called Ford or GM.
 

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Look how long it took them to go from vented batteries which used to spew acid all through the engine bay to sealed gel type and yet the sealed gel type had been available in the maritime sector for years. A high discharge lithium battery is pretty easy to make but would cost a lot more than a lead acid battery and every penny counts when you are called Ford or GM.
Hi , Are you not being unfair to the motor manufacturers .
Motor manufacturers are pragmatic and unless there is a good reason for change, why would they. Startarting car is an ancillary activity to the purpose of driving it and once one has a satisfactory method of doing so why change?

The SLA batteries will last 6 to 7 years, longer than most original purchasers will keep their cars. The SLA has a number of advantages in cars , it is not excessively heavy, not much more than a sack of potatoes or of groceries, has superb cranking power. 300 A +. and pretty well suited for the role. There is a huge manufacturing and distribution network available. What SLA s are not good at are deep discharges, but that is not a problem in motor starting.
SLA s also do not need additional electronics to keep them safe. They are robust.

A Li ion battery will not have the same safety record remember the Boeing aircraft being grounded..... And does not have the same cranking ability. Yes there is a small market for high power high current batteries at exorbitant prices. Why would you assume that like ion cells are easy to make? If they were would they not also be priced at similar price to SLA types.
 
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I still haven't gotten over acid having splashed all over my Lancia Fulvia 1.3S's engine compartment. Does that answer your questions? Something should have been done to save such a beauty :( I blame the battery manufacturers!