Bad start to the year for cyclists in Scotland

matthewslack

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Two accidents, one fatal, and an untraced vehicle from a serious collision last year.



 

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It's always been a dodgy left turn at the Riverboat when crossing the Clyde from the South, even in a car many idiots/larger vehicles swing wide or too tight for their lane and council have managed to make it even more dangerous for all especially bikes by narrowing that junction again and again over the years (it was proper dual lanes once upon a time)....why...to introduce extensive bike lanes and soft tiling.....the poor French girl was literally centimetres from a dedicated bike lane...as you can see from link below...but they made it too dangerous for her to get there...

https://google.com/maps/@55.8565813,-4.2604084,3a,75y,126.95h,85.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sehNZQy_SS7R-OmU20OXstw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
 
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AndyBike

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Its always been a problem of inexperienced cyclists thinking they can filter up the inside at lights ,going around buses or even artics.
They think theres a space or the truck is going to go straight on but unfortunately trucks need to first move well forward then swing around because of their length.
Poor girl ,only 22.:(
 
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flecc

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Its always been a problem of inexperienced cyclists thinking they can filter up the inside at lights ,going around buses or even artics.
They think theres a space or the truck is going to go straight on but unfortunately trucks need to first move well forward then swing around because of their length.
Poor girl ,only 22.:(
Indeed, it also worries me that all three mentioned were female. We had this problem on London for many years when around half or more of the victims were women but they only formed well under a quarter of the cyclists.

Ironically the problem was that women were far more law abiding than men, not jumping the lights and not stopping well ahead of the white line at the lights as men did, where drivers could see them.

Our problem is largely solved now in several ways, with annual deaths down from the old 14 average to around 6 now in normal years. That involved a big education program, including police intensively stopping both drivers and cyclist who were making mistakes and many changes to the trucks that are allowed to operate in London.

In the photo of a typical example below you'll see a mirror at the top of the passenger door window which allows the driver to see a cyclist who parks by the front wheel. There's also a mirror at the top of the windscreen in front of the passenger seat which allows the driver to see a cyclist who stops just in front, hidden by the high dashboard. The full complement, depending on truck type, is six or seven driver mirrors, so no excuse now of saying a cyclist couldn't be seen.

But the cyclist is also responsible for taking precautions and not taking up dangerous positions. Also in the truck photo you'll see low down on the rear of the front mudguard an additional left turn flasher to warn cyclists and the truck also has cyclist warning signs on the rear. And of course low protector rails along the side to stop anyone going under the rear wheels. Many of our longer trucks also optionally have a number of flashers all along the side.

But the biggest safety factor is numbers. We now have nearly a third of a million cyclists commuting into Central London each week day, so many that rush hours drivers always have them in view and therefore in mind all the time.

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matthewslack

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Charliefox

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It's always been a dodgy left turn at the Riverboat when crossing the Clyde from the South, even in a car many idiots/larger vehicles swing wide or too tight for their lane and council have managed to make it even more dangerous for all especially bikes by narrowing that junction again and again over the years (it was proper dual lanes once upon a time)....why...to introduce extensive bike lanes and soft tiling.....the poor French girl was literally centimetres from a dedicated bike lane...as you can see from link below...but they made it too dangerous for her to get there...

https://google.com/maps/@55.8565813,-4.2604084,3a,75y,126.95h,85.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sehNZQy_SS7R-OmU20OXstw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
It looks like it is possible, just, to narrow the pavement on the corner to have the bike lane starting earlier?
 

portals

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Tell that to Glasgow City Council (GCC)....their planners are fuckin morons, you just have to cycle around the city centre to see how they have f*cked it for cars in many areas (obviously the lazy plan...), but at same time also managed to make certain bike lanes extremely dangerous....morons...the lot of them....take them out at dawn and do the decent thing....
 

sjpt

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We still have a strong memory of 'Glasgow traffic lights' as we call them from when we lived there many years ago. They seemed to work on a backwards logic. If they saw a car coming they would turn the lights red so it had to stop. They wouldn't go green again until a car came on the crossing road; they would then turn red in that arm to stop the crossing car, and finally reluctantly turn green to let the first car go.

Very good bike commute along the canal though; and luckily the lights were too stupid to recognize a bike and stop it.