Are these tow trailers really safe in the dark?

amigafan2003

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Amigafan...I am prepared to ignore but not approve of your attitude to riding an illegal bike along the promenade,
It's legal actually :) Or as legal as any kit bike can be. But why bring that up - what's that got to do with the topic?

I note your anarchistic attitudes to most rules and authority,I realise you want to be seen as some bucaneer or rebel in our society, but I cannot believe that you would look upon the site of one of your kids bloodily squashed between the back cycle wheel and a car and say,no problem thats a disposable one,I've got 2 more.
Woop! Woop! Sense of humour failure. Woop! Woop!

And you don't like my attitudes but you were more than happy to sell me a wheel with a motor that I could use on my "illegal" ebike? i suppose profit comes before morals eh?

I am sure your wife would be sickened by such a posting.
Actually she was looking over my shoulder as I was posting it and she giggled. She asked which one was spare. She wasn't as amused when I actually named one though - that's me doing the washing up for a while!

It is regrettable that kids die in cars but we have done so much to improve the safety of children in cars and there are a lot of cars relative to these kiddy trailers.
I wasn't stating "per trip" but "per mile travelled" and using that statistic, using a trailer is safer than loading them up in the car.

After your posting I have rethought these trailers and really they are mobile kiddies coffins on the road.
Well sorry you feel that way - you really are missing out on a great mode of transport - truly liberating, green, efficient and convenient.
 
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SRS

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I have rethought these trailers and really they are mobile kiddies coffins on the road.
Dave
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Dave, totally agree.
Ever wondered why you don't see more recumbents on the road?
Even experienced riders of these pick their routes wisely.
 

amigafan2003

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Dave, totally agree.
Ever wondered why you don't see more recumbents on the road?
Even experienced riders of these pick their routes wisely.
I'm buying a recumbent at the end of this month!
 

amigafan2003

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Jolly good, stick a kiddie seat and kiddie on the back and take it down the road. I'll watch from the cycle path.
I don't really think you can fit a child seat to mine.

I'm sure I can figure out a way to hook the trailer up though.
 
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Old_Dave

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Attach the trailer arm to the nearest nut on the trike :p


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amigafan2003

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Bike trailers, child safety and the media's fear agenda | MNN - Mother Nature Network

The media loves novelty and conflict. Together, they engender a fear of new ideas that can turn even the most gentle pastimes — such as biking with your kids — into a bogus hidden terror.
The core issue, if not the only issue, involved in the decision to bike with your small children is whether it’s safe. And that slug, combined with the open-question headline – Should your kid even be in that bike trailer? Have you thought this through? — implies, before you’ve even started reading the story, that the safety of the endeavor is very much in question.

There is, in fact, a definitive answer to this question, and the Globe dutifully reports it:

Statistics Canada does not collect data on how many parents bike with their kids. But it does monitor cycling fatalities involving young children. According to StatsCan, no children aged zero to four died from being on a bike with their parents from 2001 to 2007.

Before we carry on, let’s just underscore this: In the most recent seven years on record, no child under the age of 4 has died in Canada in a cycling accident of the sort being discussed in the article. Not one. “Should your kid come along for the ride?” Well, why not? There’s obviously no discernable harm in it. Case closed. Let’s move on to barbecue marinades.
Child bicycle trailer safety

Last year for the first time the AZT (technical alliance centre) took the trouble to compare the danger potential of trailers and traditional child seats for their little passengers. 27 crash tests give a clear message: children sit more safely in trailers than on the bike. When AZT chief Dr. Dieter Anselm gave the results on 21 March 1996 in Munich, he described them as "surprisingly positive" - the AZT had approached the set of tests with a certain amount of reservation.

Subjectively children in a trailer look especially vulnerable, situated at the height of cars' bumpers. But precisely this can save life in the event of a collision: a car shoves the trailer wholly in front of it, while the cyclist "high on a horse" is catapulted first onto the car and then onto the road. The transport of children in the area of the handlebars is particularly dangerous; above all when they are behind the saddle they come off lightly in head on collisions.

The trailer does not fall over as easily as a bike - and when it does, then the height of the fall and the potential for injury are clearly lower. With child seats bad accidents can take place when the bike is being loaded - a trailer with a coupling at axle height remains untouched, when the towing bike falls over.
Beginner's Guide To Cycling With Kids - BikeRadar

Trailers are safer than seats, they’re more visible and wider, which encourages drivers to give you room. If you should fall, the trailer should remain upright, and even if not, the children are protected by a roll-cage.
I can find many more articles and evidence that supports towing kids in trailers is not inherently more dangerous than may other activities - activities that we do day in, day out without even giving them a second thought.
 
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TobyAnscombe

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Just to add to the debate - I wouldn't take a kiddie trailer around London but a lot of the B roads around here (where we end up with the arrogant lycra crowd being 4 abreast) I wouldn't worry to much about. Otherwise I have the faintly ridiculous problem of having to load a car up with two bikes, 2 kids and a trailer just to drive the couple of miles to my favorite cinder track
 

Jeremy

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Worth getting a bit of perspective on relative risk here, isn't it?

I mean, just how big a risk is a child exposed to when sitting in a trailer BEHIND a bike? There's a primary school a couple of hundred yards up the road from me, and I live on busy junction. Every morning I see parents pushing pushchairs/buggies across this busy junction, whilst walking their older kids to school.

I mean, how dangerous is that? Putting a small child in a coffin IN FRONT of them, and pushing them into danger ahead of themselves, and forcing themselves to be further back from a good sight line down the road (in effect, these parents push their kids into the road before they can get a good look at oncoming traffic).

At least one mother takes her kids to the school in a bike trailer, and frankly it's a heck of a lot safer than the babies and toddlers being pushed across the road junction in pushchairs/buggies etc.

It's all a matter of getting things into perspective and not taking one risk in isolation and then making out it's greater than other comparable everyday risks.
 

funkylyn

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Amigafan...I am prepared to ignore but not approve of your attitude to riding an illegal bike along the promenade,I note your anarchistic attitudes to most rules and authority,I realise you want to be seen as some bucaneer or rebel in our society, but I cannot believe that you would look upon the site of one of your kids bloodily squashed between the back cycle wheel and a car and say,no problem thats a disposable one,I've got 2 more.
I am sure your wife would be sickened by such a posting.
It is regrettable that kids die in cars but we have done so much to improve the safety of children in cars and there are a lot of cars relative to these kiddy trailers.
After your posting I have rethought these trailers and really they are mobile kiddies coffins on the road.
Dave
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Dave, I think sometimes Amigafan just says things for effect.....Im sure he doesnt really think that one of his children is disposable.....just as Im sure his wife has a nice a*** !

You and I, and the other sensible people on here, know, without resorting to quoting statistics, that a child in a bike trailer is, of course, more vulnerable in traffic, than one in a car.

Im a bit of a rebel and anarchistic myself, I take risks in my life, I admit that, but NEVER where my children/grandchildren were concerned.

I think you are right, they do seem a bit like mobile coffins.....awful as that sounds.

Lynda :)

As I said before, kiddie trailers are great on traffic free routes and thats where they should stay.
 

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How many times have bikes been rear ended at the traffic lights or stopping quickly at the zebra crossing?..the kid has just become a bumper between the car and bike...that is high risk.
Even on this forum there are a number of bike riders that have been rear ended by a car so the event is not rare.
Pushing kids around in buggies is another story,they are not on the road.Mums just cannot take their kids out without a buggy and there are millions of them-I just don't see an alternative and accidents are normally self caused,Mum is in control of their kids safety whereas the bike trailer relies on the care of the car driver-in our area most of the old Nissan Micra drivers can't see a bus in front of them never mind a little trailer!
Sorry guys not going to agree on this one.
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Dave, I think sometimes Amigafan just says things for effect.....Im sure he doesnt really think that one of his children is disposable.....just as Im sure his wife has a nice a*** !

You and I, and the other sensible people on here, know, without resorting to quoting statistics, that a child in a bike trailer is, of course, more vulnerable in traffic, than one in a car.

Im a bit of a rebel and anarchistic myself, I take risks in my life, I admit that, but NEVER where my children/grandchildren were concerned.

I think you are right, they do seem a bit like mobile coffins.....awful as that sounds.

Lynda :)

As I said before, kiddie trailers are great on traffic free routes and thats where they should stay.
Lynda,I realise that Amigafan is trying be a 'rebel without a cause',wasn't it Andy Warhol who said'everyone is entitled to 15mins of fame'. There is probably no greater risk taker than myself....driving rally cars through the forests at 140mph-sort of in control!Or trimming the spinnaker on a race yacht in a full blown gale-rarely in control! but I change my attitudes when it comes to protecting our kids,they after all, look towards us for protection.
That trailer I followed was at 6 oclock in the evening,in bad viz and heavy traffic. You would have to be very insensitive not to appreciate the danger,I had to follow the rig for 100 yds and it was obvious that the rider was pleased to dive off down a side road at maximum haste,he/she appeared very nervous.
Dave
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flecc

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I agree with Jeremy on this one, it's important to bear in mind all the factors. As a long time trailer user I've always found drivers keep far more clear when I'm towing than when riding solo, passing well wide of me. And that's just with goods trailers, so I'm sure they'd take even more care with kiddy ones.

I'm sure such a collision would be very widely reported, but I've never heard of one happening.
 

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Just google 'child trailer accidents'
A typical one....

Cyclist, child in bike trailer hurt in crash


Posted: Nov 30, 2012 3:26 AM Updated: Dec 28, 2012 3:30 AM

By FOX 12 Webstaff - email






PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) -
A cyclist pulling a trailer with a child inside was hit by a car in Southeast Portland Wednesday night.

Police said it happened at around 6 p.m. at Southeast 60th and Division Street.

Investigators said two cars were stopped at a red light and a man pulling a child on his bike stopped behind them. A third car then approached and ran into the back of the bicycle trailer and the bike, trapping it between the front of the car and the rear of the vehicle in front of it.

The cyclist and the child were taken to a Portland hospital. Police described their injuries as non-traumatic.

The driver involved in the cash remained at the scene and is cooperating with investigators. Police said it does not appear that alcohol or drugs are a factor. No citations have been issued.

The crash is under investigation and roads were closed off in the area.
 

hech

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My apologies to you Amigafan for making what I thought a trivial joke which I thought incidentally, you took in very good spirit. It's a great shame others dont have the same good sense of perspective that you do, honestly they have no manners whatsoever.
 

flecc

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Just google 'child trailer accidents'
A typical one....

Cyclist, child in bike trailer hurt in crash
That's the USA Dave, they shoot children there. :(

We're a little bit different, especially where road accident rates are concerned.
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Or another one,not such a happy ending.
COLUMBUS, Ind. (WISH) - Two children remain in the hospital after the bike trailer they were riding in was hit by a car.

Columbus police say the children were in a trailer attached to their mother, Stacy Wart’s, bike. The children’s father was riding behind them, down 25th street, near Lockerbie around 9:45pm Wednesday night, when a car hit them.

At last check, 3-year-old Emily continues to be in serious condition. Her 2-year old brother, Vincent has been upgraded from serious to fair condition. Their mother, Stacy was treated for back injuries in a Columbus hospital and was released Wednesday night.

24-Hour News 8 spoke with Tanya Brown, the woman who was first on the scene.

“I was standing on my front porch and could see the family coming down 25th Street. People ride and walk here all the time, so I thought nothing of it," she said. I turned away to walk back into the house and before I could close the door, I heard a big bang. I knew exactly what had happened.”

A black BMW had hit the trailer carrying the children. A witness driving behind the black BMW told police that the driver of that car swerved just before impact, but had seen the trailer too late.

“I ran over to the little boy," Brown said. "He wasn’t moving, he wasn’t crying, nothing. His mouth was full of blood. I had to calm his mother down because she was afraid he was dead, but I saw that he was still breathing.”

Brown drew upon her 22 years of medical experience. She lives across the street from a fire station, and medics ran over immediately.

The boy and his sister were both taken to IU Health Methodist Hospital.

Columbus Public Information Officer Joe Richardson said a reconstruction team is working to analyze the accident. He also says speed on the driver’s part is not likely a factor.

“It's too early to place blame on anyone here. We’re still investigating. But it might just be really bad timing on everyone’s part,” he said.

Police said the mother, Stacy Wart, told them she put helmets on the two children before they rode. Police are still investigating whether reflectors or blinking lights were attached to the back of the trailer.

Sometimes, safety measures aren’t enough. John Casen, a bike repairman at Bicycle Station in Columbus, told 24-Hour News 8 about an instance in the fall 2009 when he was hit while pulling his two kids in a trailer.

“We were climbing up the hill,” Casen said. “We were in a long train. It was me, then one of my kids on a trailer bike hooked up to mine, then we had the cart/trailer hooked up behind her. The woman in the Corvette still hit us!”

Casen blames it on drivers’ complacency and their unwillingness to share the road. He fears it happened again – this time to a family with young children.

24-Hour News 8 attempted to contact the family, who continues to stay in Indianapolis with their hospitalized children. They declined to comment.
 

flecc

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As I said above, the USA again. I don't think they are relevant to us, given their horrific road acccident rates.

I've never heard of one in Britain.