Applying Stickers to Hub Motor

[thelarkbox]

Any stipulation on sticker placement?? hmm time for malicious compliance perhaps??

Version #1 complete with the text
"FP FAB EN:15194 36v 250w 15.5mph"
Printed vertically on 12mm brother label printer tape is circa 15 cm long..

btw FP FAB- Fat Phil Fabrications.. Both Ortler and Yose-power etchings decals and stickers are already clearly visible on my Hub and bike.
will need to charge the camera batteries for pics..
Though i think i may splurge £6.99 on the clear tape for the final label. currently i have a blue on white 12mm tape loaded.. I have 6mm clear tape but that would be taking the ****

any mention of lettering size required?? 6mm tape is starting to sound optimal

 

[AndyBike]

You want a very small sticker that can be permanently applied.
The lettering needs to be small enough so that anyone looking there really has to squint.

The sticker should read "I AM A C*NT"

 

[guerney]

I don't know how relevant this document is for us in the UK, but while looking for the EN15194 standard in PDF form for free, I spotted this. Marking, labelling requirements start page 121.

https://www.tba-cycling.org/uploadfiles/454/%E5%85%AC%E4%BD%88%E6%AC%84/%E8%A8%8A%E6%81%AF%E5%85%AC%E5%91%8A/TBIS2019%E6%9B%B4%E6%96%B0%E7%89%88/tbis_15194-2019__fdts__108f01__en.pdf


"5 Marking, labelling
5.1 Requirement
The EPAC shall be marked visibly, legibly and indelibly with the following minimum
particulars:
— Contact and address of the manufacturer or authorized representative;
— EPAC according to TBIS 15194;
— Appropriate marking ;
— Year of construction, that is the year in which the manufacturing was completed
(it is not possible to use a code);
— Cut off speed XX km/h;
— Maximum continuous rated power XX kW;
— Maximum permissible total weight (e.g. marked near the seat post or handlebar);
— Designation of series or type;
— Individual serial number if any;
— Mass of the EPAC in the most usual configuration.
The frame shall be:
a) visibly and permanently marked with a successive frame number at a readily
visible location such as near the pedal-crank, the seat-post, or the handlebar;
b) visibly and durably marked, with the name of the manufacturer of complete
EPAC or the manufacturer's representative and the number of this document, i.e.
EN 15194. The method of testing for durability is specified in 5.2.
Where appropriate, if EPAC is equipped with a coupling device for a trailer the
following values shall be given:
c) Total weight of the trailer
d) Vertical load on the coupling system.
NOTE In some countries there is a legal requirement concerning marking of bicycles.

5.2 Marking test
5.2.1 Marking Durability test
5.2.1.1 Requirement
When tested by the method described in 5.2.1.2, the marking shall remain easily
legible. It shall not be easily possible to remove any label nor shall any label show
any sign of curling.
5.2.1.2 Test method
Rub the marking by hand for 15 s with a piece of cloth soaked in water and again for
15 s with a piece of cloth soaked in petroleum spirit."

 

[Benjahmin]

Jeez, if that's the requirement we're all stuffed. Suspect it may be a piece of european over thought flummery. Clue is, at the start, it refers to EPAC (is that electric pedal assited cycle?) , I believe in this country it's EAPC (electric assisted pedal cycle), which is totally different.
If plod starts carrying petrol soaked rags I think we're in a world of trouble.

 

[saneagle]

Jeez, if that's the requirement we're all stuffed. Suspect it may be a piece of european over thought flummery. Clue is, at the start, it refers to EPAC (is that electric pedal assited cycle?) , I believe in this country it's EAPC (electric assisted pedal cycle), which is totally different.
If plod starts carrying petrol soaked rags I think we're in a world of trouble.

That's for manufacturers of complete bikes. I told you above what you must have on your label.

 

[Waspy]

The law doesn't say anything about where the label comes from, so there would be no such thing as a fake sticker; however, if you misrepresent the bike by putting false information on the sticker, like 15 mph, when it can actually do 20 mph asisted, that's fraud.

You don't need anything fancy on the label - something like " Motor Aikema AKM95 48v rated power 250w; Battery Greenlance 48v; Controller Kunteng 48v; Max assist speed 25km/hr" stuck on the headstock meets the legal requirements. The only problem is whether the police believe that information, so you need something on the motor to indicate that it's the same as what's written on the label. That's where a convincing "fake" label has an advantage, when the motor doesn't have its own identification marks, but on that label, you don't need the 15 mph and other stuff - just the manufacturer and the 250w.

OK, so these are the stickers I've settled on. I will be printing them on glossy photo paper and fixing them with helicopter tape.

This is for the frame:

This is for the motor:

What do you think?

 

[saneagle]

OK, so these are the stickers I've settled on. I will be printing them on glossy photo paper and fixing them with helicopter tape.

This is for the frame:

This is for the motor:

What do you think?

That looks pretty good concerning the info, but for the motor one, I'd move the logo down a bit and the 36v 250w up to make it narrower and more like a label for the motor. Trim off the surplus.

 

[Waspy]

That looks pretty good concerning the info, but for the motor one, I'd move the logo down a bit and the 36v 250w up to make it narrower and more like a label for the motor. Trim off the surplus.

Will do, thanks.

 

[Waspy]

That looks pretty good concerning the info, but for the motor one, I'd move the logo down a bit and the 36v 250w up to make it narrower and more like a label for the motor. Trim off the surplus.

 

[Baz the balloon man]

Use super glue to stick them on once you have cleaned the area you want to stick them.

Good idea to clean the whole motor gently with detergent or sugar soap possibly something like thinners if you are careful don’t take the paint off .

Once stuck on and clean give the hub a few coats of a clear acrylic lacquer.

They will not come off unless rubbed off on purpose

 

[Benjahmin]

Well, after much tutting and wtf, I finally got there. I'd love to show you the result but I've already expanded my computer skills enormously and I'm not sure I can take any more !

Thanks for the tutorials Guerny.

 

[Nealh]

Isopropol cleaner .

 

[Waspy]

Isopropol cleaner .

Absolutely, I always have a bottle in the house. Handy for many things.

 

[thelarkbox]

Absolutely, I always have a bottle in the house. Handy for many things.

top tip!!
A spectacles lens cleaning liquid pump dispenser is a solvent resistant free dispenser for 99% isoprop for misting onto labels for an easy peel or cleaning purposes, very little waste as a single spray is absorbed and evaporated rapidly, great for many uses even a portable sanitiser for hands and surfaces.. i think the original solution is a 30-50% solution of isopropanol

 

[Baz the balloon man]

Purely out of interest does any one know if there are now or could be used in the near future any devise to test the continued wattage coming out of a Hub motor ?

 

[saneagle]

Purely out of interest does any one know if there are now or could be used in the near future any devise to test the continued wattage coming out of a Hub motor ?

There is no way to measure an ebike's continuous power because the power is different at different speeds, and while you run the motor, the voltage is going down all the time and the power also goes down more or less in proportion.

You can measure maximum power in certain conditions using a dynamometer, which can show the power at each rpm.

They could use the rating test to find out the maximum power the motor can run at without over-heating in ideal conditions, but ebikes don't run in ideal conditions, which is why they can't pin down a specification for the power without excluding a lot of their use.