Applying Stickers to Hub Motor

[matthewslack]

So now the police have got this new urge to seize e-bikes. I want to make my bike as non-seizable as possible.

I keep my bike roadworthy with good tyres, brakes etc.

I have no throttle.

I have a 250w MXUS XF08C motor.

I carry the invoice, but unfortunately while it says it is 36v it does not state the wattage.

Also there are no markings on the motor stating it is 250w. It does say 36v and 26" but no mention of watts.

I have purchased some stickers from Amazon, but one review says:
"Not sticky enough to stay on bike, edges lifted within minutes"

So my question is what is the best method to apply the sticker to stop it falling off? Spray some clear coat over it perhaps, or use helicopter tape?

By the way, I ordered a sheet of ten stickers, so if anyone wants one for free just let me know.

There is a spelling mistake on the stickers but that will either go un-noticed or I can fob them off with bad Chinese translation.

Having the correct EN number is more important probably than the spelling error, but both errors say 'fake label'. If the motor model number is engraved, that plus a copy of the manufacturer's specification might be as good as anything.

 

[Benjahmin]

Here's the UKCA symbol, ready to save (right click>Save as), import and resize:

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Thanks very much. I'll try it tomorrow when I haven't got a glass of malt in my hand.

 

[Cadence]

I bought some of these on ebay:-

Pardon our interruption...

Correct spelling and EN number. They've been on 3 hubs for about 6 weeks now and still there. One has survived a good soaking (rain and a wash down).

 

[Waspy]

Having the correct EN number is more important probably than the spelling error, but both errors say 'fake label'. If the motor model number is engraved, that plus a copy of the manufacturer's specification might be as good as anything.

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Damn, the EN number is wrong! Well spotted.

 

[Waspy]

I bought some of these on ebay:-

Pardon our interruption...

Correct spelling and EN number. They've been on 3 hubs for about 6 weeks now and still there. One has survived a good soaking (rain and a wash down).

Good find. You win this thread.

 

[Ghost1951]

I got some of these from ebay a while back. They seem to stay on and have done some miles both on a hub motor and on the frame of a converted Specialised bike with a crank motor.



I recognise there is an element of fraud in sticking an ebay label on your bike, but in my case I know for absolute certain that the bikes I own absolutely meet the spirit of the law except in the new interest in labelling which some police forces are now displaying. It is my view that that regulation about labels applies to manufactured bikes and was not applicable to conversions.

As far as some enforcement we have seen it is not possible to have a long ago done conversion which in every way other than a label, meets the rules on power, maximum assisted speed and the necessity to pedal the bike.

 

[guerney]

Isn't the motor manufacturer supposed to feature on the label too?

Spotted this Attestation of Compliance for the BBS01, even has the right EN number.




https://static.webshopapp.com/shops/044915/files/083778110/coc36vmm.pdf


I was sent the attached PDFs by the seller of my kit, which might be of interest or use, to the elite and most excellent Bafangers among us in particular, the ones with awesome mid-drive motors vastly superior in every way, towering above the puny and pitiful chaff.

EMC Test Report
Attestation of Conformity Bafang BBS01B Part 1.pdf

Attestation of Conformity Bafang BBS01B Part 2.pdf


Open the PDFs sandboxed, if you're as suspicious of PDF files as I am:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandboxie

https://sandboxie-plus.com/

 

[matthewslack]

I got some of these from ebay a while back. They seem to stay on and have done some miles both on a hub motor and on the frame of a converted Specialised bike with a crank motor.

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I recognise there is an element of fraud in sticking an ebay label on your bike, but in my case I know for absolute certain that the bikes I own absolutely meet the spirit of the law except in the new interest in labelling which some police forces are now displaying. It is my view that that regulation about labels applies to manufactured bikes and was not applicable to conversions.

As far as some enforcement we have seen it is not possible to have a long ago done conversion which in every way other than a label, meets the rules on power, maximum assisted speed and the necessity to pedal the bike.

Even that rather professional looking attempt has the same spelling mistake!

 

[Ghost1951]

Even that rather professional looking attempt has the same spelling mistake!

Well spotted, but I suppose there are two mitigating factors: People probably expect that Chinese manufacturer paperwork is often in 'Chinglish' and the average copper on a wet day examining e-bikes in a town centre is unlikely to actually notice the spelling of the word 'standard'. To be fair, the labels like the rest of my bikes are likely to be spattered with muck, even though I don't ride them anything like as much as you ride yours.

 

[Waspy]

Isn't the motor manufacturer supposed to feature on the label too?

*sigh* OK I made this label too:

Also corrected the EN number:

I have been experimenting with printing on glossy photo paper, results are not too shabby, just need to stick them on with some of that helicopter tape type stuff.

Alternatively, I have also ordered 3 of those stickers recommended by Cadence

 

[Waspy]

I also made this for a bit of a laugh, I changed the Bafang details for MXUS details and corrected the spelling of 'Standard':

 

[thelarkbox]

Rather than stick a dodgy and fraudulent sticker on your bike, wouldn't carrying proof of bike insurance ( if covered) legitimise your within regs conversion?

 

[saneagle]

Rather than stick a dodgy and fraudulent sticker on your bike, wouldn't carrying proof of bike insurance ( if covered) legitimise your within regs conversion?

The law says that your ebike MUST be marked with the manufacturer's name, the rated power and either the voltage or max speed.

 

[Waspy]

Rather than stick a dodgy and fraudulent sticker on your bike, wouldn't carrying proof of bike insurance ( if covered) legitimise your within regs conversion?

I don't have insurance.

 

[thelarkbox]

The law says that your ebike MUST be marked with the manufacturer's name, the rated power and either the voltage or max speed.

So a diy sticker with a corruption of the actual bike assemblers name/initials, rather than a dodgy bafang counterfeit, would satisfy the regs And remain impervious to future AI scans of police records looking for sure wins for the cps.

no doubt a fake bafang sticker could invoke 'fake goods' laws? - its a stretch granted but well within the reach of plod and the cps if they consider it a slam dunk.

 

[Waspy]

The law says that your ebike MUST be marked with the manufacturer's name, the rated power and either the voltage or max speed.

If that is the case then my bike is illegal and may well get seized during the next pogrom.

I don't suppose the law says anything about where these markings come from? If that is the case, then buying stickers from eBay should be no problem.

As far as the manufacturer's name goes, MXUS don't mark their motors or supply stickers, so I may as well go ahead and make my own...I mean, if it's going to get seized anyway, why not?

A couple more attempts:

 

[Waspy]

So a diy sticker with a corruption of the actual bike assemblers name/initials, rather than a dodgy bafang counterfeit, would satisfy the regs And remain impervious to future AI scans of police records looking for sure wins for the cps.

no doubt a fake bafang sticker could invoke 'fake goods' laws? - its a stretch granted but well within the reach of plod and the cps if they consider it a slam dunk.

This is not a bad idea, I may as well just go ahead and design my own sticker, I have found the official MXUS logo:

 

[Waspy]

 

[guerney]

The law says that your ebike MUST be marked with the manufacturer's name, the rated power and either the voltage or max speed.

My motor has everything but the max speed engraved under the motor. Hardly an accessible location, hence the stickers.

New detection tactic, able to read motor inscriptions from 40,000ft

E-bike riders caught on camera using police drone

Police in Newport use a surveillance drone to spot a group of e-bikers on city streets.

www.bbc.co.uk

Good luck seeing those inscrptions, they're under my motor. What's needed are tiny road going drones like in The Dead Pool chasing Dirty Harry's car, with a camera pointed upwards instead of a bomb, or as well as a bomb for those Surronaronron dudes.

The seller of my BBS01B kit: IEBIKE on Amazon was and still is overpriced, but I guess if I'd bought from China, my motor might have lacked those engravings, like @Ghost1951's and @Saracen's.

 

[saneagle]

So a diy sticker with a corruption of the actual bike assemblers name/initials, rather than a dodgy bafang counterfeit, would satisfy the regs And remain impervious to future AI scans of police records looking for sure wins for the cps.

no doubt a fake bafang sticker could invoke 'fake goods' laws? - its a stretch granted but well within the reach of plod and the cps if they consider it a slam dunk.

The law doesn't say anything about where the label comes from, so there would be no such thing as a fake sticker; however, if you misrepresent the bike by putting false information on the sticker, like 15 mph, when it can actually do 20 mph asisted, that's fraud.

You don't need anything fancy on the label - something like " Motor Aikema AKM95 48v rated power 250w; Battery Greenlance 48v; Controller Kunteng 48v; Max assist speed 25km/hr" stuck on the headstock meets the legal requirements. The only problem is whether the police believe that information, so you need something on the motor to indicate that it's the same as what's written on the label. That's where a convincing "fake" label has an advantage, when the motor doesn't have its own identification marks, but on that label, you don't need the 15 mph and other stuff - just the manufacturer and the 250w.