And you thought our e-bike laws are tough!!

[Geebee]

To get back on track, The Australian e-bike laws according to the DOT technical dept. in Tasmania are 200w maximum output at the drive shaft!

 

[eddieo]

Amigafan2003

I have just shared your logic with a colleague and you have given us both a good laugh on what would otherwise be a dull shift. Thank you for that. Sadly, I don't think that you have the, "tools" available to you to understand why your, "reasoning" has such comedy value. (Lets just say that we are both going to cancel our car insurance tomorrow and rely on the house insurance instead)

You have attained an astonishing level of ignorance that I had previously thought impossible to achieve. In fact, your ignorance shines like a golden shaft of urine streaking through a dark void in knowledge before entering your ****-pot world of law, logic and reasoning. You have also demonstrated a breathtaking disregard for the consequeces of your actions upon others, supplying us with a justification which is based entirely upon some sort of self perceived confidence in you skills as a cyclist.

I have seen other posts querying some of the statements that you have made and all that I can say to these people is, "treat with caution, the man is in urgent need of help!"

Best post since Christmas..well done!

But what you and your friend have failed to grasp is that we are blessed to have among us a number of Nietzschen Übermensch (supermen) God like creatures (more angels really) that posses no human frailties....Hitler loved them!

They just wander around among us apparently and the only way to control them is to lock them up in a secure mental hospital.....

 

[amigafan2003]

Amigafan2003

I have just shared your logic with a ........

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............you have made and all that I can say to these people is, "treat with caution, the man is in urgent need of help!"

So, is attacking the person rather than the argument now considered the correct way to hold a civilsed debate?

Bravo sir, bravo!

Best post since Christmas..well done!.......

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.......and the only way to control them is to lock them up in a secure mental hospital.....

That goes for you too.

I suggest you both look up the meaning of argumentum ad hominem and come back when you're ready to have a proper debate.

 

[indalo]

That goes for you too.

I suggest you both look up the meaning of argumentum ad hominem and come back when you're ready to have a proper debate.

Amigafan2003, you have openly admitted to having a complete disregard for the law. You are also sadly mistaken in your understanding of how insurance companies operate. If you cannot or will not accept that your views are simply wrong, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

I'm afraid your ignorance is exceeded only by your breathtaking arrogance.

Indalo

 

[tillson]

I suggest you both look up the meaning of argumentum ad hominem and come back when you're ready to have a proper debate.

OK, I will try.....

I ride a bike that assist upto 25mph and a peak motor power of 750watts.

The fact that I'm a responsible rider who adheres to the highway code

Use of this extra power, especially in the presence of pedestrians

, and for the record I do have insurance ;-)

(just to clarify, he means house insurance)

via membership with the ctc or via your home insurance, and you have an accident on that bike

except that it isn't a bike, its a motor vehicle / mechanically propelled vehicle. But do go on, this is getting interesting)

you ARE covered for any third party damages, even if you ride a bike with two rockets strapped to the back

....and the house insurance company will then walk away because you have been using a motor vehicle that requires specific motor vehicle insurance. This is the equivalent of cancelling life insurance because you have just taken out mobile phone insurance. It's the ramblings of a complete nut-case.



Where do I start? There is so much wrong here that I give up on you..........

 

[flecc]

In fact the third party liabilities caused by an illegal S class bike will be covered by the Motor Insurers Bureau under their government approved scheme to cover uninsured drivers of motor vehicles.

 

[flecc]

To get back on track, The Australian e-bike laws according to the DOT technical dept. in Tasmania are 200w maximum output at the drive shaft!

Indeed, no different from ours and the EU law in fact, since those also specify maximum power with the implication that it's motor power. Fortunately all three accept manufacturers specifications and EN15194 labs also seem to have an extremely liberal certification method.

 

[amigafan2003]

(just to clarify, he means house insurance)

No, I do not mean house insurance.

except that it isn't a bike, its a motor vehicle / mechanically propelled vehicle. But do go on, this is getting interesting) ....and the house insurance company will then walk away because you have been using a motor vehicle that requires specific motor vehicle insurance. This is the equivalent of cancelling life insurance because you have just taken out mobile phone insurance. It's the ramblings of a complete nut-case.

As above - I'm not talking about house insurance. Have a look at the insurance the CTC provides.

Oh, and for what it's worth your thrid party element of your house insurance DOES cover you for public liability even when in a motor vehicle - it's just that it's never enacted because it is UK law that you must have seperate third party cover when using a motor vehicle and you can ONLY claim against one policy. I put it to you sir that is is YOU that doesn't understand the concepts of UK insurance schemes.

Where do I start? There is so much wrong here that I give up on you..........

Well, it's not my problem you are unable to provide a coherent counter argument.

 

[amigafan2003]

Amigafan2003, you have openly admitted to having a complete disregard for the law.

A COMPLETE disregard for the law? I think you're making assumptions - where have I said I have disregard for everything? I think "you have shown contempt for the current UK ebike legislation" would be more accurate.

Contempt != disregard.

You are also sadly mistaken in your understanding of how insurance companies operate.

It is you that is mistaken - see my comment above.

If you cannot or will not accept that your views are simply wrong, how do you expect to be taken seriously?

Whether they are right or wrong is a matter of perspective surely? I can however readily accept that SOME may see my actions as wrong, and they are entitled to that opinion.

 

[neptune]

If you run an illegal Ebike , insurance could be the least of your worries . If the CIA get to hear about it it you could be extradited to stand trial in the USA . You dont even have to own and ride such a bike , it is enough to be suspected of selling a battery to power such a bike .

 

[Scottyf]

I like Indalo's and Eddieo's comments, but I also like Amigafan's logic.

But which one is best...

 

[tillson]

via membership with the ctc or via your home insurance, and you have an accident on that bike

I'm sure that home insurance is mentioned in the above quote from you.

But wait a minute..........

No, I do not mean house insurance.

I'm not talking about house insurance.

What's going on?

Well, it's not my problem you are unable to provide a coherent counter argument.

You see, as illustrated above, your idea of a coherent argument differs from that of the general population. You need to understand that reasoning with you is like trying to teach my dog to solve a second order differential equation. No matter how much I want him to do it and no matter how much time, patience and effort I invest, it just isn't going to happen. He's happy just to chase squirrells up trees. Perhaps you should do the same.

 

[amigafan2003]

I'm sure that home insurance is mentioned in the above quote from you.

But wait a minute..........


What's going on?

You're quite right Tilson, I seem to have tripped myself up there with a circular reference.

You see, as illustrated above, your idea of a coherent argument differs from that of the general population. You need to understand that reasoning with you is like trying to teach my dog to solve a second order differential equation. No matter how much I want him to do it and no matter how much time, patience and effort I invest, it just isn't going to happen.

Aww c'mon, don't admit defeat so easily


I think I'll bow out with:-

 

[tillson]

You're quite right Tilson, I seem to have tripped myself up there with a circular reference.




Aww c'mon, don't admit defeat so easily


I think I'll bow out with:-

I think the following quote may appeal to you:

It is disgusting that these poor people are forced to perform just for our entertainment.

 

[eddieo]

I like Indalo's and Eddieo's comments, but I also like Amigafan's logic.

But which one is best...

HOY! that is mine!lol

(Posted the same weeks ago)

 

[amigafan2003]

I think the following quote may appeal to you:

It is disgusting that these poor people are forced to perform just for our entertainment.

Haha, I like that.

Prince Phillip by any chance?

 

[Scottyf]

Do you still throw spears?

 

[tillson]

was that electrical installation carried out by a man from India?

 

[danfoto]

In fact, your ignorance shines like a golden shaft of urine streaking through a dark void in knowledge before entering your ****-pot world of law, logic and reasoning.

I bow down before the awesomeness of your rhetoric.