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Mushroom forgaing certainly seems a dicey business - have you ever poisoned yourself? Don't leave out any gory details... I do wish I knew more about edible wild mushrooms. The tiny book "Food For Free" has utterly useless line drawings and coloured sketches, which make it impossible to identify pretty much any wild edible, apart from nettles.
I don't eat them! I really don't like the taste of even "safe" commercial fungi.

There are loads of websites, etc., some are quite good but I don't have any particular recommendations.
 

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Atomic Shrimp on Youtube, British dude old school IT, I think. He does a lot of foraging videos and knows his stuff, he did a good video on "rat island" the other no foraging or mudlarking, just a walk round.
 
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I don't eat them! I really don't like the taste of even "safe" commercial fungi.
It's the texture i cant stand, feels like im eating polystyrene. So avoided them since i was a kid.

Brewed into a very sweet tea they are nice, but of course those are a different kind of mushrooms ;)
 

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I don't eat them! I really don't like the taste of even "safe" commercial fungi.
It's the texture i cant stand, feels like im eating polystyrene. So avoided them since i was a kid.
Everyone will be eating fungi if governments get their way and animal production drastically reduces to address climate change. Then it will be meat substitutes on plates, virtually all dependant of fungi in their makeup.

All Quorn foods for example contain mycoprotein as an ingredient, which is derived from the Fusarium venenatum fungus. In most Quorn products, the fungus culture is dried and mixed with egg albumen, which acts as a binder, and then is adjusted in texture and pressed into various forms.

To me those vegetable based "meats" all taste horrible, but I like mushrooms and eat both the bought Agaricus bisporus (buttons) and various foraged wild mushrooms..
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It's the texture i cant stand, feels like im eating polystyrene. So avoided them since i was a kid.

Brewed into a very sweet tea they are nice, but of course those are a different kind of mushrooms ;)
I agree about texture!

Some time back, I had an endoscopy and chose no sedation. Got through it - but they expressly commented "Very strong gag reflex". Dentists have also commented. And that is what I get with things like straw mushrooms in Chinese food. UK mushrooms are not quite that bad, but getting there.
 

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It's the texture i cant stand, feels like im eating polystyrene. So avoided them since i was a kid.

Brewed into a very sweet tea they are nice, but of course those are a different kind of mushrooms ;)
I have it on good authority (may have been @oyster), that football pitches are where you'll find them. I've also heard that fields untilled for at least 25 years are also good places to look. They're being used by some people and institutions to treat depression - a 67 year old retired bloke I tried to buy a dubiously constructed secondhand trailer from, was microdosing magic mushrooms (he is/was/is clinically depressed) at a retreat in Spain when I enquired. He said his missus was a "Real" witch, which makes complete sense. What's your maddest trip, and how many did you consume? I hear potency varies quite a lot. I wonder if it's actually a choice between being a little weird for awhile, or depressed?
 
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I agree about texture!

Some time back, I had an endoscopy and chose no sedation. Got through it - but they expressly commented "Very strong gag reflex". Dentists have also commented. And that is what I get with things like straw mushrooms in Chinese food. UK mushrooms are not quite that bad, but getting there.
As I said to my daugthter: Somewhere out there, is a fungi you'll like. Turns out - so far I've been wrong, or not right for long enough, or something.

You'd probably be fine with Quorn? I avoid any food too processed, which is my main objection to Quorn. Totally agree about straw mushrooms. I tried to dine at a Mandarin restaurant, ordered some mushrooms... they arrived covered with a thick white extra slime layer. That cuisine style contains almost no spices, or didn't that night. I had to throw all the available (mild) chilli oil over everything to make it even partway edible, but that strategy didn't work on those rovolting straw mushrooms with extra slime. You'd hate Natto, which can be 2ft slime trailing off the fork, or chopstick. Reminder to self: must make more Natto.
 
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I don't eat them! I really don't like the taste of even "safe" commercial fungi.

There are loads of websites, etc., some are quite good but I don't have any particular recommendations.
I'm amazed you know so much about mushrooms, but don't eat them. Will they rule the earth again? I think I'll stick to buying them from supermarkets - I did plan to grow some in my garden, as I have a lot of old logs of various types. I believe one can buy mushroom plugs, which you drill and hammer in, keep dark and moist to cultivate.... but quite honestly, I've got too many veg growing pains already.
 
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And sometimes a variety which is fine in one place, is liable to cause at least an upset somewhere else. Even just because it is growing on a different substrate.
That's very worrying, and explains why even mushroom experts can end up ill or dead. I saw Bear Grylls recommend the Universal Edibility Test, when asked about how to determine edibility of mushrooms, but it doesn't apply to mushrooms:

 
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I'm amazed you know so much about mushrooms, but don't eat them. Will they rule the earth again? I think I'll stick to buying them from supermarkets - I did plan to grow some in my garden, as I have a lot of old logs of various types. I believe one can buy mushroom plugs, which you drill and hammer in, keep dark and moist to cultivate.... but quite honestly, I've got too many veg growing pains already.
Used to live near a quite extensive wood. And there were so many of numerous species. Got into photographing them for fun, interest, and our own records.

E.g. from 2004:


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That's very worrying, and explains why even mushroom experts can end up ill or dead. I saw Bear Grylls recommend the Universal Edibility Test, when asked about how to determine edibility of mushrooms, but it doesn't apply to mushrooms:

One of the world experts of the time, I think 19th C, died from eating fungi. It is suggested that some could be eaten occasionally but, if consumed regularly, could build up. Or misidentification.

There is one safe rule. Don't eat fungi.

There is one less safe rule. Don't eat fungi that are not among those which are so distinctive mistakes are almost inconceivable. Adding to be well aware of where they were gathered.


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Used to live near a quite extensive wood. And there were so many of numerous species. Got into photographing them for fun, interest, and our own records.

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Chicken of the Woods, Laetiporus sulphureus. Edible and said to taste like chicken, but I dont eat bracket varieties since i find them too rubbery. For that reason I don't eat the shop Oyster Mushrooms, grey top Pleurotus ostreatus and white top Pleurotus pulmonarius.
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Chicken of the Woods, Laetiporus sulphureus. Edible and said to taste like chicken, but I dont eat bracket varieties since i find them too rubbery. For that reason I don't eat the shop Oyster Mushrooms, grey top Pleurotus ostreatus and white top Pleurotus pulmonarius.
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Meripilus giganteus!

Chicken of the Woods is a real problem. There are many sources which go on and on about how wonderful it is - and safe. But there are also reports of CotW causing at least upset stomachs.

Last I did a bit of searching the possibilities seemed to include there being different species (especially as CotW appears widespread across UK & USA and elsewhere so could include several species), different substrates, genetic variation (of the fungi, not the eaters), etc. There certainly seems to be some reason for the different experiences.

Also, the possibility of confusing Meripilus with CotW! Though Meripilus is also often regarded as edible but unlikely to be worth eating.
 
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One of the world experts of the time, I think 19th C, died from eating fungi. It is suggested that some could be eaten occasionally but, if consumed regularly, could build up. Or misidentification.

There is one safe rule. Don't eat fungi.

There is one less safe rule. Don't eat fungi that are not among those which are so distinctive mistakes are almost inconceivable. Adding to be well aware of where they were gathered.


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Likely to be Red Cracking Bolete, Xerocomellus chrysenteron. Edible if it is that, but edibility should never be decided from a photograph. Not worthwhile anyway since it can cook rather soggy like many polypores.
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Likely to be Red Cracking Bolete, Xerocomellus chrysenteron. Edible if it is that, but edibility should never be decided from a photograph. Not worthwhile anyway since it can cook rather soggy like many polypores.
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More appreciate by slugs, in my experience.
 
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Meripilus giganteus!
Agreed, as I remarked in my later post, identity for edibility should never be from a photogroph. There are too many similarities, especially when the CoW is past its best as that one would have been if CoW.
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Agreed, as I remarked in my later post, identity for edibility should never be from a photogroph. There are too many similarities, especially when the CoW is past its best as that one would have been if CoW.
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I have the advantage of being the photographer (the image I posted and many more) and having seen it come and go over several years. Some years its identity was much more obvious than others.
 
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I have the advantage of being the photographer (the image I posted and many more) and having seen it come and go over several years. Some years its identity was much more obvious than others.
Likelyhood is a factor in identification as well. In our South-eastern English wood CoW is very common and frequent, but Meripilus giganteous rare and only in two repeat locations from where it hasn't spread in the last couple of decades.

I've conducted many fungi walks here, but I wouldn't dream of trying to in your area where the species spectrum can be very different.
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Likelyhood is a factor in identification as well. In our South-eastern English wood CoW is very common and frequent, but Meripilus giganteous rare and only in two repeat locations from where it hasn't spread in the last couple of decades.

I've conducted many fungi walks here, but I wouldn't dream of trying to in your area where the species spectrum can be very different.
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A common mushroom of deciduous and coniferous woods and grassy areas in late summer and autumn, Paxillus involutus forms ectomycorrhizal relationships with a broad range of tree species. These benefit from the symbiosis as the fungus reduces their intake of heavy metals and increases resistance to pathogens such as Fusarium oxysporum. Previously considered edible and eaten widely in Eastern and Central Europe, it has since been found to be dangerously poisonous, after being responsible for the death of German mycologist Julius Schäffer in 1944. It had been recognized as causing gastric upsets when eaten raw, but was more recently found to cause potentially fatal autoimmune hemolysis, even in those who had consumed the mushroom for years without any other ill effects. An antigen in the mushroom triggers the immune system to attack red blood cells. Serious and commonly fatal complications include acute kidney injury, shock, acute respiratory failure, and disseminated intravascular coagulation.

That is why I consider an awful lot of people play a dangerous game when they consume fungi. Might still be statistically safe, but no thank you.
 
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