I am quite new here, and taking the plunge after owning a cheap ebay electric bike for the last year. I have had some issues with my "El Cheapo" and after some advice I have decided to get a top end model. I have read many an old post here, and decided the both bikes have their pro's and cons. My use will be a bit of everything really, very hilly commute, total distance will be about 23 miles each day. I like the sound of the Panasonic system on the Kalkhoff, but the Wisper seems to have many a fan here. Are there any other models I should consider or are these the main 2?
Agattu or Wisper?????
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Hi.
If you want power-on-demand then the Wisper is the way to go. If you don't mind pedalling all the time then the Kalkhoff because from what I understand from peeps around here it is an excellent hill climber because it works through the bikes gears.
Powabyke and Powercycle are also big contenders. Other users will no doubt clarify the pro's and con's of the various bikes available. I chose Wisper because I wanted power-on-demand, long range and good looks. I don't ride a hilly journey. Any inclines are short (very) and moderately shallow so I can't even begin to guess at the Wisper's climbing ability so I'm not qualified to speak on that.
Enjoy the hunt
Best regards.
Vikki.
If you want power-on-demand then the Wisper is the way to go. If you don't mind pedalling all the time then the Kalkhoff because from what I understand from peeps around here it is an excellent hill climber because it works through the bikes gears.
Powabyke and Powercycle are also big contenders. Other users will no doubt clarify the pro's and con's of the various bikes available. I chose Wisper because I wanted power-on-demand, long range and good looks. I don't ride a hilly journey. Any inclines are short (very) and moderately shallow so I can't even begin to guess at the Wisper's climbing ability so I'm not qualified to speak on that.
Enjoy the hunt
Best regards.
Vikki.
The Panasonic system on the Kalkhoff is definitely the better for really steep hills, which is where hub motor bikes tend to demand much more of the rider,. and that will be true of the 905se. Much depends on how steep the hills really are though, and how fit a rider you are, and if a fit cyclist you might be happy to put in that extra effort on the steep stuff.
Another factor is personal preference, these two systems being very different in character. While most people are happy to adapt to either, it's still best if possible to have a trial ride on both types to see how you feel about each.
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Another factor is personal preference, these two systems being very different in character. While most people are happy to adapt to either, it's still best if possible to have a trial ride on both types to see how you feel about each.
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i have just swapped a schwinn for a Raleigh/Kalkhoff. The Schwinn like the Whisper gives the option of putting no effort in at all whereas the Panasonic system is always a function of the effort that you want to put in.
if you do plumb for the Whisper, get the big batteried one. The Panasonic system probably has better longevity and serviceability, thats why I swapped.
i have just swapped a schwinn for a Raleigh/Kalkhoff. The Schwinn like the Whisper gives the option of putting no effort in at all whereas the Panasonic system is always a function of the effort that you want to put in.
if you do plumb for the Whisper, get the big batteried one. The Panasonic system probably has better longevity and serviceability, thats why I swapped.
I looked long and hard at both Wisper and Agattu before making my purchase. The hill climbing abilities of the Agattu won me over as I'm in a very hilly area, and I've never once regretted my purchase in the slightest. In fact, a couple of weeks ago I bought a second Agattu for my wife to use. However...I never tried a wisper there seems to be a lot of happy Wisper owners out there too.
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I would also consider the ezee torq 2 trekking,it is now a great all round bike,the torq 1 was a rather poor hill climber and the batteries were unreliable,the torq 2 is one of the most powerfull bikes available and is a superb hill climber the batteries are now much better as tested by flecc,but due to previous problems it is now being overlooked.
I have ridden a Wisper and a torq, but still don'town a bike yet. I must say the Wisper seemd good, I wasn't too keen on the torq though. seemed a bit cheap looking and I wasn't overly impressed with the disc drake. Seemedto vibrate a lot and not work as well as others Ive tried on normal Mountain bikes. Yet to try any of the others.......
Bear in mind that the Wisper is 'one size fits all' while the Kalkhoff comes in a range of frame sizes. A bike that fits you properly is much more comfortable and efficient to ride. Hence the usual advice to have a test ride if at all possible.
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I'm 5'9" and I find it just slightly small, a longer seatpost would probably sort that out though. I've seen others who are over 6' write that it is plenty big enough.
Most people that see it think it is very big and seem a bit scared, it does look a little imposing I must admit.
Well at 6ft and 33" inseam, I definitely found the seat post WAY too small for correct seat post height. (As Sheldon Brown says, if you can put your foot down on a mountain bike your seat is too low). So instead I've put a 400mm solid post on it (only 10 quid or so). The handlebar stem is quick release adjustable and should have enough range for most people.I'm 5'9" and I find it just slightly small, a longer seatpost would probably sort that out though. I've seen others who are over 6' write that it is plenty big enough.
Most people that see it think it is very big and seem a bit scared, it does look a little imposing I must admit.
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I second what Paul has written above, I would also add that the Torq2 is a better quality bike than the Wisper, I have ridden and owned both. So I would recommend a Torq2 or a Kalkhoff Agattu.
One more bike worthy of consideration however is the Voyager which would seem to be very good value for money, but I have not ridden one or seen it in the flesh and have no idea about the after sales. Electric Mountain Bike on eBay, also, Bikes, Cycling, Sporting Goods (end time 18-Mar-09 13:57:37 GMT)
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Hope you are okay Bob. You obviously bumped your head as you have lost the ability to spell your own name
Maybe you should start wearing a helm....... hmmm better not start that debate again
But the entries are wrong and they make the Wisper win. Both entries have to use the same factor, in this case the model of both, not the make.
Change it to Agattu and 905se and the Agattu is the clear winner instead.
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