29x2.2 low rolling resistance tyres

TobyAnscombe

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All - now that I am commuting mainly on the road its probably time to move from the stock Schwalbe to something a little more road-friendly..

Any reccomendations for a low rolling resistance but yet still puncture resistant 29" tyre? Looks like the Conti Speed/Race kings seem to be well regarded...

TIA
 

vfr400

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To reduce resistance, I'd be looking at a much narrower tyre. You don't hae to fit the same width as before.
 

KirstinS

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Conti travel contact is my favourite to date for a fast rolling tire that is still good for .uk roads and regular commuting with a great balance of fast rolling, grip , weight and puncture resistance

smart sam are my favourite if commuting and off road trailing
 

Nev

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That's weird. I wonder why they don't use 2.2" wide tyres in the Tour de France? Any ideas?

The link doesn't work, but I can guess what it says.
The link is working now, and does explain why there is an upper limit to the width of tyres used in road races. The trend does seem to be on an upward trajectory and is likely to continue for a while from what I have read in this and other articles.
 

GLJoe

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That's weird. I wonder why they don't use 2.2" wide tyres in the Tour de France? Any ideas?
1. Because wide tires don't (currently!) fit into most racing frames
2. Because at the speeds they ride at, the aerodynamic disadvantage of super wide tires overcomes the advantage of comfort and lower rolling resistance.

However with disc brakes becoming the norm and new data on actual rolling resistance being discovered, the move from rock hard pumped up 23mm tires to something like a softer 28mm is already happening.

If you have a really crappy road (think Paris Roubaix!), then actually a 2.2" inch tire WILL be faster than a narrow, road one (they've done the tests!)
 
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vfr400

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1. Because wide tires don't (currently!) fit into most racing frames
2. Because at the speeds they ride at, the aerodynamic disadvantage of super wide tires overcomes the advantage of comfort and lower rolling resistance.

However with disc brakes becoming the norm and new data on actual rolling resistance being discovered, the move from rock hard pumped up 23mm tires to something like a softer 28mm is already happening.

If you have a really crappy road (think Paris Roubaix!), then actually a 2.2" inch tire WILL be faster than a narrow, road one (they've done the tests!)
So, are we going to see 2.2" tyres in the Rubaix this year? I don’t think so.

People have been making these claims that wider tyres are better for years. If they were, you'd see them in all the major races, where they design whatever frame they can to get every advantage they can.

OP was asking about reducing his resistance, and he uses 2.2" tyres. We're not talking about the difference between a 22mm and 24mm tyre.

I reduced my tyres from 2" to 1 1/4. There's a massive difference in resistance, which is immediately obvious. Your theory can say whatever it likes. Instead of spoutng theory, why don't you try it, then come back and tell us the results like I did?

We're talking about riding a bike on the road, not through a muddy field.

I don’t get some of you guys. It's like you're trying to score points in a competition of intellectual masturbation by finding spurious links to what you can find with Google that doesn’t agree with what somebody said. What we need is real world experience and data. If you find a theory, go and test it before passing it on. Then you're talking from a point of authority and knowledge, but make sure you cover relevance and context.
 
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GLJoe

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So, are we going to see 2.2" tyres in the Rubaix this year? I don’t think so.
If they made the route go entirely over cobbles, then you can bet they WOULD be using really wide tyres (or possibly even using an XC mountain bike type)
As it is, when (real cyclists) have actually tested and timed the route, what they found is that the fat tyres gave the fastest speeds over the cobbles, but the narrower road tyres were faster on smooth tarmac. As there are huge sections of fast roads in the race, the competitors don't go mad with the ultra wide tyres as they want to keep fairly aero.

Your mantra of use thin tyres and pump them up as hard as you can, only applies to ultra smooth surfaces like a velodrome. We aren't talking about riding in a velodrome!
We aren't talking about riding over cobbles either, but if you had to categorise the majority of Uk roads .... setting your bike up towards the cobbles side of things makes a lot more sense!



I reduced my tyres from 2" to 1 1/4. There's a massive difference in resistance, which is immediately obvious. Your theory can say whatever it likes. Instead of spoutng theory, why don't you try it, then come back and tell us the results like I did?
You think its 'immediately' obvious, but its not.
For one thing, what the testing has found is that it FEELS faster with skinny hard tyres (because you feel every bump and imperfection in the road), but when they look at the timing data, it tells a different story.


We're talking about riding a bike on the road, not through a muddy field.
You are the only one talking about riding through a muddy field.


I don’t get some of you guys. It's like you're trying to score points in a competition of intellectual masturbation by finding spurious links to what you can find with Google that doesn’t agree with what somebody said. What we need is real world experience and data. If you find a theory, go and test it before passing it on. Then you're talking from a point of authority and knowledge, but make sure you cover relevance and context.
Relevance and context is the reason the OP should not be thinking about the old and outmoded view of putting thin tyres pumped up to the max on his commuting bike.
Hard data from scientists and mechanics in the field, along with personal experience of using many different types of tire myself is the reason I no longer use thin, hard tyres if I want to go fast. Instead, go wider, but get a high quality, supple tyre carcass without energy sapping knobby tread, and a rubber compound that is designed for decent grip but low rolling resistance.
You'll have a much more comfortable ride, you won't go slower, and this will also give you better puncture protection than thin, hard tyres - relevance and context (as the OP requested this as well).
 

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Your mantra of use thin tyres and pump them up as hard as you can, only applies to ultra smooth surfaces like a velodrome.
That's a figure of your imagination. I've never said anything like that.


You think its 'immediately' obvious, but its not.
For one thing, what the testing has found is that it FEELS faster with skinny hard tyres (because you feel every bump and imperfection in the road), but when they look at the timing data, it tells a different story.
Yeah, yeah. yeah.

Relevance and context is the reason the OP should not be thinking about the old and outmoded view of putting thin tyres pumped up to the max on his commuting bike.
You're at it again. Nobody said he should. Look back and read again.
 

vfr400

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For one thing, what the testing has found is that it FEELS faster with skinny hard tyres (because you feel every bump and imperfection in the road), but when they look at the timing data, it tells a different story.
I'm watching the Tour de Yorkshire on TV right now. Widest tyre is about 25mm AFAICS. Can I suggest that you write to some of the teams (or all of them) and tell them where they're going wrong. Maybe they'll send you a reward when your winning formula gets them a trophy.
 
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A Continental Double Fighter 2.0 has been a great replacement for the Rapid Rob 2.25 on the rear of my Cube Acid Hybrid. Obviously it works great on the street, but I've been surprised how well it does off road in all but wet, muddy ascents. I guess I may have lost a fraction of my assisted speed due to the smaller circumference but that may be negated by slightly higher pressure. They are cheap too.