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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    What a load of old baloney, where on earth do you get all this from. Well guys you can all agree, like and smilie at each other until the cows come home but it doesn't make it so. As there appears only remainers left to smooch with each other I will regretfully Not, now leave the thread. If you...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Look for the post, it's there, I'm certainly not searching for you. Your manipulation knows no bounds.. It's obviously all a game to you based on too much free time and bitterness over the referendum result. Very sad
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG you are doing the usual, reading into comments what you want to, the statement of a desired two tier system is correct, but you forget conveniently to mention I then went on to say, if that cannot be achieved then we should get out, with or without trade deal, See through myths, you've spent...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    As you know well Dave the immigration card has been well over done, in this debate and an informed conversation would start with defining the different types, students, temp work, permanent immagration requests, refugees. From Europe or outside Europe, required for vacancies or just sleeping...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    What a joke, and all those numbers came out of your head I suppose, or did you ask the wife. No google for you eh! Those numbers are actually quite small if you think on it. And as you point out are very well controlled, we cannot even give a count to nearest 100k, never mind actual number And...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    "the action of coming to live permanently in a foreign country." This is a googled definition for you so hopefully no great debates
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Maybe you should put your wife on the thread, because you know bugger all about Singapore. I have traded and done business there for many years, .they need labour for sure and bring it in, but don't confuse that with immigration as we know it
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Have you ever visited Singapore, or Malaysia,. I have on business many times. They actually need and want labour and are happy to sign such deals to trade in markets around them in return for allowing workers to come to their country, but don't fool yourself they are well controlled and come on...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Agreed, but we know we need these people anyway, so let's just get on it and cut there teeth on some friendly nations that are not bitter and twisted at the moment On your manufacturing point, we will not correct the last 20 Years overnight that is for sure, but services on the other hand we...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG All this confusing of negotiation with blackmail and extortion is just another example of your tendancy to see the worst in everything. well, whatever makes you happy but don't confuse that with truth or facts as you so dearly like to claim
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The Then that's what we should do, don't waste any time negotiating with EU, as they are unlikely to give us a dam thing until the last day of year 2 anyway, Go hell for leather to get deal with US, China, India, and just go ahead and implement, no wait for end of 2 years At the end of that EU...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You might be surprised, some people appreciate a sense of humour, likeability and straight talking, how about President Trump for instance:eek:
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    My only regret and question is Who the hell signed us up for a deal with a 2 year termination clause, real smart that. If I did that I'd get sacked Can any of you well researched EU smart asses tell me why we can't just tear up the contract, stop paying and be gone tomorrow. Of course I know...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    As I am sure someone once quoted, you could have been a somebody!
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I think the issue is that we need to get a better calibre of people into government, whether it be by salary or other means The common thread running threw this whole Brexit thread has been the total dissolutionment with politicians generally, and it does not seem to be limited to which side of...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG I have to also say to you, the referendum is over, no sides now He is a member of the cabinet and I think the idea is that he works for the good of country, talking it down as chancellor is what the last one did Funny isn't it the number of people that manage to miss the whole point Some...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    changing the subject slightly, no changing it a lot! Don't you think it is a ridiculously small salary that MPs get paid. The effects of which are, - the only people that go for it are either at the low end of capability, they cannot do anything else and have never had a real job, of the ilk...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I hope he is better as chancellor, as he is a mouth on a stick Can't change his spots I understand, but how stupid. Someone tell him he is no longer on the campaign trail but is responsible for managing the economy, which sometimes involves talking it up Ha, you lot wouldn't be any help to him...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Can you tell me one good reason, and one bad reason for submitting article 50 in such a hurry, like day 1 of a new government, come on
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I admire your optimism, repeat after me, We're all leavers now