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Not sure I said since WW2, if I did it was a mistake. I meant to say since EU formed, which is a bit obvious really, since the claim was EU has prevented war, I don't think even Tom or OG would claim EU had prevented something before it existed. I,m on it tho Danidl, just booked a medium. I,ll...

The UK model. Away from the oppression and fascist regime the EU has become. They will never take our freedom. Taxation without representation ...( or whatever Mel shouted in the Patriot sounded rather good don't you think)

Don't forget the Silk...was a copy of Scott ( well sort if) The Scott was years before its time utilising a two stroke engine...had best power to weight ratio of any engine...which is still case with two strokes.. The Silk used an almost identical engine to Scott...in the 70's... Mountainsport...

But not by EU...they don't even have a peace keeping force ? Are you really trying to tell.me had we not joined EU in 72 (?) we would have gone to war with France or Germany. Europe had to unite in their military aims primarily because of cold war..NATO ,MAD and the might of USA has kept Europe...

Lots of countries world wide have been equally if not more conflict free than Europe. The proliferation of Nuclear arms (MAD), the fact people are closer than pre WW2 ..come on how could we gobyo War with France or Spain, loads wouldn't know which side to fight for..The lessons we thought we,d...

Sorry KTM I don't agree with most of that.

That's a ridiculous circular argument. I,m saying they have achieved very little. If your business achieved so little it would have gone bankrupt. The ains you quoted are bot worth stating. You cant say when they have been achieved or not. its like teaching someone to drive and saying you are...

Rubbish.

Quick there Robdon..reckon it took you 3 seconds from me posting to you disliking. I dislike it too but its true. Every word. KTM Its exactly why EU is in a mess. Imagine Ford , Rolls Royce or even Education setting those statements out as attainable. They do it so you can not prove they have...

That's brilliant..when I used to write lessons plans for kids unable to glean the enforced curriculum I,d use words like promote, foster, develop There,s nothing there KTM..one crime not committed, one family out of poverty trap, one country exceeding fiscal expectations. Social care targets...

Which one of EU aims has been achieved in 40 years ???OK fair point Luxembourg has climbed up the list. Of GDP per capita ...brilliant.

In your opinion..and hypothetically and that's not what you originally said.

Rubbish again OG..just put UK down at every possible opportunity. Why do you stay here if its so rubbish. And as normal everything good about UK you attribute to EU ( which is ridiculous) and everything bad to our government. Its very sad really, to think you,ve spent your entire life unhappy...

No they did not. The ECHR came from Council of Europe and includes countries outside EU but in Europe.( if they signed convention)

Seems we have contradicting answers to wether Art 50 can be reversed/ withdrawn.. Cant see it happening but could it in theory ? OG ..you really believe all that ? If I did I,d support EU...its not the case. Drive around Europe and decide...

Don't talk to him he,s black; fat; poor;....a troll. Might be grown up grammar but sentiments are straight from playground.. Grow up Tom.

Its done no such thing, you assume the EU has prevented war within Europe, when infact its the disparate countries choosing not to repeat stupid mistakes.The countries outside EU within Europe have not gone to war... And what policies are in place to achieve this glorious goal ?because whatever...

Exactly... But prey do tell us exactly what EU has achieved...and don't try the H&S rules because countries that chose to simply ignore them. And saying their remit isn't to reduce poverty, address the terrible distribution of wealth in EU,counter terrorism, increase social care and reduce...

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But that's nothing to do with it..my wife's WI group did none of those things either...you going to hand control to them ? Saying what a massive organisation didn't do is not a recommendation. Tell us what they have achieved ? Rebalanced inequality ? Stopped poverty ? Stopped unemployment? Kept...