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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, I read it, dont believe you quoted a source first time. So what is the source ? A paper ? First hand account ? You know an investigator at Portland down. The proof problem cuts both ways flecc. Sorry, I dont believe your quote.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Photographs could be of anything, all you have supplied is evidence..not proof...and your point re Russia not disputing fact is circumstantial at best. That's not proof at all. In 50's we only had evidence suggesting a link between smoking and lung cancer. Its only recently we,ve arrived at...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    "No. In Salisbury they either found something, or may have found something, or may not have found something. You don't know that Novichok was found. They announced it was Novichok days before Porton Down were even asked to identify it. Porton Down had to have their arm twisted to reluctantly...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    We have no proof New Zealand exists without visiting it ? No proof man has landed on moon. No proof CIA didn't plan twin towers. We have evidence suggesting the truth, no more on hundreds of things. My grandad insisted all his life man hadn't walked on moon ...perhaps he was right.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    There,s a lot of us about Tom...According to last Yougov survey 73% of folk are in agreement with me on this...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That's quite a shame flecc.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So who will you all believe ? And when ? At what point do you say, yes I accept that. In 12,years time after a Public Inquiry ? Well that's no good.. When JC is in power and carries out an investigation ? Or will he be corrupted by then..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Like Sky News, Guardian, Times , etal did ? And yes I trust the folk conducting tests here.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    There,s a massive difference tho flecc...they never found WMD , the Novichok was found quite easily.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Sky News "The poison used to target a former spy and his daughter is Russian-made nerve agent novichok." I could find at least another 6 media sources saying same.. Are posters on here saying they are all wrong, lying or simply deceived...it then begs the question where are posters getting...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Perhaps we should commision a Public Inquiry around the lies we are told...then dismiss its findings ??
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I do accept blaming Putin is a leap of faith but we cant question absolutely everything. I cant find any other reference than poison being Novichok. Or is the assumption every thing we get told is lies ? Did poisoning even happen ? How far do we take the scepticism ??? How deep does this...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    They have identified Novichok. They know the history of Skripal and his feud with Putin. They know Putin has threatened traitors . They know ( if you believe last years PI into Litvinenco) that Russia are capable of such behaviour (they have done it before, with Polonium in 2006 , and were...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Its not quite FA Tillson. They have identified Novichok. They know the history of Skripal and his feud with Putin. They know Putin has threatened traitors . They know ( if you believe last years PI into Litvinenco) that Russia are capable of such behaviour (they have done it before, with...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    ??? Ask a chemist OG...My area of assumed knowledge is IHT laws. Flecc I know assumption is mother of most .#£#£ ups but I,d always assumed it was common knowledge that although the umbrella originated in Bulgaria the Russian ( then USSR) KGB were behind it. The killer was a Dane trained in...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    From the same article. "Russian KGB defectors including Oleg Kalugin and Oleg Gordievsky have confirmed that the KGB arranged the murder,[11]" Perhaps ambiguous but why would Russian defectors. spill beans on Bulgarian KGB.?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    According to wiki.. "Both assassination attempts are believed to have been organized by the Bulgarian Secret Service of the time of the Cold War with the assistance of the KGB.[1]" ( article sspeaking about killings in London and Paris by Ricin via umbrella) One of scenarios I read on another...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I,d totally agree with that were it not for Canada, Australia and NZ also expelling diplomats and wording accusation identical to UK's. I know some on here dont accept the PI into Litvinenco case but I,d guess 90% of folk will accept its findings, once they are accepted Russia has " previous"...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I dont think they,d take that risk for a show of solidarity, especially with Brexit so fresh in their minds.Not just on opinions anyhow. I think there is a lot more to this story. They could have shown that solidarity prior to May's visit. How did she convince them all ? ( apart from Junker who...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    A UK and Russia conflict reminds me of when Brian London fought Ali. After fight Carpenter interviewed London. Who said... " Well I really had him worried in the 4th round; he thought he,d killed me." A conflict between us and Russia would be pointless. Dont think they could ever actually...