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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    These are the deaths per 1 million population according to Worldometer. 1) San Marino 1913 2)Belgium 1767 3)Czechia 1366 4) Italy 1367 5)Bulgaria 1350 6)UK 1320 7) USA 1230 Its utterly ridiculous to compare our situation with that of NZ. Or perhaps we should do so with regards a British Isle...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It is real its not constant. My point was to do with however you measure transmission it was claimed new strain was much easier to catch. (figures were claimed to be 70% higher and that R value would be increased by 0.4) With our current, and hopefully sustained, drop in infections such an...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/norway-covid-19-vaccine-elderly-deaths-no-link/ In Norway 45 care home residents die every day. In near future every one of those is likely to die having had a covid vaccine. There must be a moral dilemna in there somewhere when there are medical people without...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well it worked then. I wasn't passing any opinion on subject. Personally think it's impossible new variant is 70% more transmissible, perhaps a bit more. Either we have observed rules better or perhaps herd immunity is starting to have an effect or new strain is no more transmissible. I know...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    When the new covid strain was announced a few weeks ago we were told it was 70% more transmissible and would increase R value by 0.4. Tonight number being infected, according to BBC, have dropped this week by 25%... I,m fairly convinced this lockdown has not been as stringent or observed as...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But the fact that even vaccinated individuals can test positive and non vaccinated might not develop symptoms throws that measure into disrepute. The only way to really know is see which people die, which are hospitalised and which are just ill. As Jesus pointed out nobody died, was hospitalised...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Don't think the maths is that simple Woosh.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Two jabs won't stop you catching it. Don't think vaccine can stop any one getting it, think it prevents illness. It's why the are worried vaccine won't stop transmission. And, BTW, NHS, JCVI have not altered dosage regime on AZ.. They say between 4 and 12 weeks,and at moment this one represents...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But nobody says 89% of what??
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Woosh Perhaps you could explain exactly what criteria are used for efficy. I can't find them. I did hear they were different for AZ and Biontech.. AZ were actually saying in some respects there vaccine was 100% efficient, if criteria was no deaths or no serious disease.??? Even a vaccine with...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Trouble is nobody is quite sure what 90% efficy means and apparently the two trials on AZ and Biontech utilised different criteria. From what I understand even 90% efficy doesn't mean 90% don't become infected. From our point of view the important issues must be. A)death b) hospitalisationC)...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, it isn't really Woosh. The 90% in both relates to vaccine. It's estimated one jab gives you 90% protection for 12 weeks.. Does depend what your yardstick is... I suspect the %age is free from severe illness or hospitalisation. Its why Dave made figures as he has... The 2nd jab probably is...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I, d guess it depends whether they still test positive. They will still be testing them?? I wondered if those death figures are automatically included in daily figures or are they on top of??? Doesn't actually make it clear.. Got a friend who manages a large care home. All staff (circa 60) were...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The vaccine roll out is by no means consistent accross the country. Yorkshire has managed to reach 45% of 80 + Yr old whereas London 29%... Also means delaying rollout for 70 + Yr olds in Londo whereas North and NE are starting that group now. Not seen any explanation. Sheffield was also...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-how-did-ireland-find-itself-with-the-highest-infection-rate-in-the-world-12189128
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Hypocrite and you know damned well why. Perhaps a token thanks to somebody involved somewhere in getting that shot in your arm might help but that's not your way is it. Just criticise the entire system from start to finish in your deluded entitled world, but add insult to injury by not only...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG didn't even read it. Just saw an opportunity to say I was confused. Danidl's post was contradictory but the jest of it correct. Fungus caused lack of food, our handling of it caused famine, which is what I, d said originally...??? "English caused potato famine" So all at crossed purposes.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Rather be a fool than a self righteous hypocrite. There is only you could justify having vaccine after all you, ve said about it. Sums you up. Moan moan moan but then "I have a right for my 2nd". And in a regime that would mean many would not even have had their first. You ought to be grateful...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Hypocrite. As for hating UK, that's rich from you. You, ve not made a positive comment about UK or anything in it for 4 years. Self righteous idiot. Stupid from the man who moans about vaccine, says its a dangerous dosage regime, puts links up saying its dangerous... Then stands in a queu to...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    We, ll have to agree to disagree on that flecc. Think it's obvious many simply don't have the choice. Given free choice Hong Kong would be remaining democratic. Uighars, Mongolian, Muslims and gay folk don't have a choice. You can't wake up one morning and think "today, I, m not Mongolian".