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Spoke with sister. It was Raymond Oppenheimer... Spent all my life till today thinking it was Robert.. What a disappointment.I, ve been telling that story 50 years... Sister had a good laugh..

Neither ourselves or entire EU /Europe are a political power. Aukus has proved it. We are too small and have only tagged on to Aukus shirt tails.. But Europe could and should be a massive world power and influence. I don't have to explain why I think that's the case, I, ve said it a good few...

No, Europe says so. Look at the balance of machinery lined up against each other in Europe during cold War. Even with NATO it would have been a close run thing and would have entailed NATO deploying tactical nuclear weapons.. Its a very odd view to assume France/Germany/UK could have halted...

Yep, probably.. But certainly an argument to stop the alliance /reliance on NATO... Which doesn't seem to be the way EU are going..

So why is this happening Flecc. (that isn't my headline) Its a European publication reporting on current topical issues. I think what you really mean is you don't want the EU to have any alliance with NATO. The headline and article do not smack of US foistering NATO onto EU. Quite the reverse...

Woosh I, m not an inherent supporter of NATO but do recognise the significant roll they have played in maintaining peace in Europe. And no Europe would not have been capable of defending itself against USSR... Had they chosen to be beligerant. Its the, EU's (Europe's) continued alliance and...

https://www.euractiv.com/section/defence-and-security/news/eu-and-nato-leaders-aim-to-expand-cooperation-despite-dreams-of-strategic-autonomy/ That's not the way EU are thinking Flecc. They (or according to this) are wanting closer liason... To an entity you say is not needed... Paid mainly by...

No, I agree with that. I don't think we should rely on NATO at all. We should by now have a viable EU or European force. That's the point I, ve made all along. If we need NATO, which it's spending suggests we do, it should be European based. Not US. If we don't need it, we'll send it home.. But...

You can't have peace without security Woosh. Nato stops doing its job and how long does peace last. They are mutually inclusive.. And that Force stopped the European conflict in 1995..and kept Europe peaceful throughout the cold War...(mostly) Its got to be an idealists idealist who thinks we...

I somehow thought he, d be wrong in any negative aspects of EU. Wiki has rather a better explanation of why Russia isn't in EU. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93European_Union_relations And US does not have power of veto, it isn't in the EU. And your mention of power of veto is...

NATO has kept peace in Europe since its inception and was prime reason conflict in Bosnia/Serbia stopped in 1995.. Its an absolute exaggeration to suggest EU/Europe has enjoyed peace solely because of EU. First of all Europe has not been without its disasters. And secondly there are a myriad of...

Rather a more reasoned analysis around European peace.. The EU's achievements and failures. Worth reading by both pro and anti EU... https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2016/05/how-valid-claim-eu-has-delivered-peace-europe And author is a regular Guardian contributor.. Rather more leaning to...

Since you, ve stuck your oar in.. Perhaps you, d like to explain the roll NATO and EU played in stopping the last European war in 1995...(Serbia) EU did nothing. NATO stopped the hostilities. And still not a word about how EU have made peace and maintained it without a defence budget, any...

I, m going to be even more popular when I fill two 20 litre Jerry cans ....... For the boat.. This bloke must have a big lawn mower...???

Not a particularly convincing argument for claim EU has given us peace for last 60 years flecc, but then again perhaps inevitable, because there isn't one. Resorting to insults... Last resort and all that. And still no explanation of any events, structure, policies or actions EU has carried out...

Totally agreed. NATO is viewed as an EU partner with shared goals... But without NATO would we have an EU or Europe? Should be a European force or as you say a world wide power...

Your dismissal of what NATO has done, is doing and needs to do for a while longer yet is beyond staggering and extremely dangerous. Imagine 2 scenarios. First one EU failed to materialise and Europe remained 36 or so distinct sovereign states. Outcome... Well not much difference. Probably poorer...

Yes, I can see all that Danidl and perhaps in 2000 years when all humans have grown up then possibly we could rely on that ideology... Unfortunately at moment it relies on carrying as big a stick as likely aggressors and spending trillions on such things as NATO.. You aren't trying to convince...

It shouldn't work out (much) dearer..??? I, ve brought a few things in from Slovenia. Now and pre Brexit. The supplier shouldn't charge Vat at source but then your carrier via customs puts on the correct Vat and import charge. My stuff worked out 2% dearer... Supplier knocked off 20%...customs...

Agreed, but EU supporters often make this claim about EU bringing peace to Europe and it is completely spurious EU wasn't actually formed until 1993,prior to that was simply a trading block. (EEC) Now correct me if I, m wrong but Europe managed to get to 1993 without going to war again. European...