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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    How on earth has Flecc agreed with this? Its a confirmation of what vaccine is doing Flecc. Did you hit the wrong button by mistake?, Or, have you changed your mind and decided vaccines (antigens) are working??
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Again we are discussing semantics and the inferences made in portraying the facts. Liverpool Primary care on dates in question had no vaccinated in ICU wards but was 70% full with unvaccinated,majority of whom were in age range 30 to 40. Wether putting that over is propoganda or not is...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Sorry Flecc you are completely ignoring all the data from hospital ICUs and vaccination rates to make your point. You are wrong. Tell me one single shred of evidence that points to the fact unvaccinated are rolling up in ICUs at roughly times 8 the rate to vaccinated is down to prior infection...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The mugs are the unvaccinated. You had yours. Think you keep looking down the Rabbit hole Flecc, GI and SW are well down it and not climbing out.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    With both examples it's not how presentation is made its the facts behind it. Over 80% of folk in ICU in Liverpool are young (ish) and not vaccinated. It is not propoganda. It's meant to push the message. There is a difference.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's windsurfing, so do spend lots of time in water.... And use lots of meat pies.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    He does right.. The dipping in North Sea is (aledgedly) good at reducing bad body fat.. I spend hours in it, with the related nasal and stomach complaints, but certainly through sailing season I seem to be able to eat what I want with neither high cholesterol or too much excess body fat...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2021-12-22/covid-liverpools-intensive-care-wards-full-of-young-unvaccinated-patients
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Stick to meat pies.... And swim in cold North Sea regularly..if that doesn't kill you a meat pie has no chance.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Good post. Think it's a danger and lesson for us all.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Gi If you don't accept figures around ICU occupancy from BBC last night, from ONS etc etc just pop to your local Hospital. Have a word with anybody who works on ICU ward. I have 2 good friends whose wives work on ICU wards. Anecdotally they both say nearly all their patients are unvaccinated or...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yep, probably. Think most of us have a couple of months to decide. See what infection rate is by March and there should be more info about omni variant jabs and perhaps one more along lines Flecc talks of. But I don't think much will have changed. There might even be another more infectious less...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    According to Times and Independant we'll be offered our 4th shot at least 4 months after 3rd. That takes yours truly to beginning of March.. Comment from Dr Anthony Harden (vice chair of JCVI,, yesterday evening) ??? Same story again tho... 90% at what. Keeping ICU full of unvaccinated or...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    BBC News At Ten. Headlines just for GiJoe. Two thirds of ICU Covid patients are unvaccinated. (in the 12 out of 16 primary cares contacted) But you don't believe that either. Royal Liverpool says 80% of their ICU covid patients are unvaccinated. And statistically that is quite amazing since, I...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    If Chris Witty, Stephen Powys, Jonathon Van Tam, NHS, JCVI, Mhra, your doctor and every consultant you met told you what a balanced diet was would you believe them? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-accepts-jcvi-advice-on-covid-19-vaccination-programme--2
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://newsfeed.upday.com/?aid=6b84e9b7-28f1-4f41-a4ad-c7c86d81e8fa&channel=all_news&app_name=huawei_assistant 109k infections today.. But...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The Govt debt is especially worrying. Its over double previous high record levels. We are in unchartered waters.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/21/icu-is-full-of-the-unvaccinated-my-patience-with-them-is-wearing-thin I, ve seen stats around this... See if I can find them again. Not sure NHS like idea of promoting bias, prejudice even against unvaccinated...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Flecc, I, m agreeing with you. Perhaps it isn't a vaccine. I don't care what NHS call it. I, m saying the injection has saved lives, has kept number in hospital within acceptable levels and has kept people off intubation. Fair enough if you want to wait for a vaccine but I will be taking the...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Sorry Flecc, I, m lost. If vaccines (or antigens) reduced deaths /kept hospital and ICU occupancy down to acceptable levels. (well levels NHS could cope with) in many respects they have done their job. Saved lives. Saved NHS. They have simply not done their ideal job of preventing infection...