What Is The Best Value German Bike Electric Bike?

[trex]

Trex is a nice idea but can not see it happening.

We are always happy to take phone calls from customers with queries.

The biggest reason I can not see this happening is cost, people already think prices are too high. Also most distributers are probably not large enough to do this and am sure they would not do it outside of office hours e.g. Saturdays.

Distributers for Bosch bikes do not carry spare parts which is why us and others keep stock themselves. We also stock other parts which our distributers would not stock.

We have had the occasional technical issue with bikes bought a fair distance from us and have normally managed to solve these remotely.

Re Rose sounds like good service. Whether you are local or not people will not go back if you do not provide a good service.

The Rose support service seems like the right model.

If the UK distributor cannot provide spares and technical support to end users, can't you buy direct from another EU distributor or KTM in Austria? you would surely get good support from them?

 

[Electrifying Cycles]

No, did try several other brands at Eurobike but did not find anything much different price wise and offer relevant spares as well as the range of bikes we want. I find diffferent brands provide different offer varying levels of service. Alot of brands are now owned by a few companies and in my experience smaller companies can sometimes provide better service, unless the company has a clear process which is easy to navigate.

Riese and Muller provided us with software to update NuVinci Harmony which dealer often do not have access to and were very helpful, this meant we could get software on the bike updated quicker than having to go through the manufacturer.

If non local customers have a problem which can not be solved remotely we will send them a box if required and collect free of charger.

Would definately be willing to source bikes from another distributer but it would need to be the right company and cover all areas we are looking for otherwise the benefit is not sufficient.

In my opinion biggest thing is for us all to work hard to increase sales as this will encourage distributers to invest more in the UK. Although it is a chicken and egg situation i.e. they will not invest until sales rise significantly and arguably that is holding sales back. This is why we and others carry spares of all parts we can.

Thanks for the feedback and advice I always like to hear peoples opinions and it is good to have a debate the forum would be boring otherwise. Where's eddieo when you need him

 

[Cyclezee]

Where's eddieo when you need him

Busy selling bikes Electric bike: AVE MH7 Bosch powered semi-folder | eBay and Electric bike: Specialized/Wisper Daahub electric bike | eBay

 

[Deleted member 4366]

Maybe he's decided that Woosh bikes are better after all.

 

[flecc]

Maybe he's decided that Woosh bikes are better after all.

No way, this is the current situation mailed to me:

just picked this new (400 watt battery) 2013 haibike RC up on german ebay for 1700 € ( near £1500 with postage) A good deal I think....and as a 26 incher the wife should be able to ride...nice and light also


From a chuffed Eddie

 

[shemozzle999]

Busy selling bikes Electric bike: AVE MH7 Bosch powered semi-folder | eBay and Electric bike: Specialized/Wisper Daahub electric bike | eBay

Yesterday's must haves - Today's landfill

 

[trex]

AVE MH7
Price new: £2,000
Purchase date: 17/July/2012
My second hand formula gives today's selling price: £1,181

He puts expiry date in 28 days - can't wait to test formula.

 

[flecc]

Yesterday's must haves - Today's landfill

Eddie is just having a clear out now he's got the new Haibike and also intends to buy either the 2014 grace or dual suspension R&M, both having the new Bosch unit.

The Daahub bike is still a favourite with him, but there's a limit on how many e-bikes can be garaged and used.

 

[trex]

2012 Ave MH7 Bosch powered semi folder.





purchased from cycling made easy in Coulsdon Croydon for my wife last July,it was a special order. She has used it in Italy two summers running and that is it...she has bought a road bike and joined a ladies cycling club and its simply surplus to requirements. I have the reciept and it has warranty to July 2014. smashing bike..the mechanical advantage of 20 inch wheels means it will climb anything...hills no longer a challenge. fast charge: 100% 2.5hrs. 80%1.5 hrs.


Cash on collection, deposit by paypal at auction end. try before you buy, as you are bidding to purchase not come and have a look..You want to try it by all means come for a demo. If you don't already know, the Bosch centre drive system is about the best drive for an electric bike out there....light years ahead of generic chinese bikes. We are in Streatham S/W London, collection only and no overseas bidders..... here is spec from a web site:

He did buy it here.

He's bagged a terrific bargain for that Haibike RC - nearly half price! is it not a used model?

 

[Deleted member 4366]

It'll be on Ebay next year when he finally realises how good these Chinese bikes are.

 

[flecc]

He did buy it here.

He's bagged a terrific bargain for that Haibike RC - nearly half price! is it not a used model?

Yes, I did later realise that purchase source and cancelled my intervening post Trex.

No, the Haibike is brand new, hence him saying how chuffed he is. A fantastic bargain, probably due to the impending new Bosch unit.
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[flecc]

It'll be on Ebay next year when he finally realises how good these Chinese bikes are.

It's not going to happen, he loves the Bosch units and that's why he's buying into the latest one as well.

That said, the Oriental Daahub kitted bike is also a real favourite with him, hence him advertising that if his price isn't reached he'll keep it.

 

[trex]

he'll be on ebay alright but he's a sucker for badges - he'll never change.

I wonder if he's got a second hand Haibike RC.
I've tried searching all the current Haibike on 'sofort kaufen' - none has the same sort of discount.

 

[trex]

It's not going to happen, he loves the Bosch units and that's why he's buying into the latest one as well.

That said, the Oriental Daahub kitted bike is also a real favourite with him, hence him advertising that if his price isn't reached he'll keep it.

I am not sure he's bought the latest Bosch (small chainwheel), not at that price!

No, this one is quite close @ 1,999 Euro, 400WH, could be the best value German bike at the moment:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Haibike-eQ-XDURO-Cross-Herren-Elektrofahrrad-RH-56-cm-2013-/121217179884?pt=Sport_Radsport_Fahrrad_Kindersitze&hash=item1c391b60ec

Rahmen: Aluminium 6061, hydroforced tubes, reversed angle Bosch-Interface
Gabel: Suntour NRX-D RL Remote lockout, Federung: Luft, Dämpfung: Öl,
Federweg 75mm
Schaltung: Sram Dual Drive/X.9 T2, 30-Gang
Schalthebel: Sram Dual Drive Trigger
Kettenradgarnitur: eQ Alu 38 Zähne
Innenlager: Bosch Mittelmotor 36 Volt, 250 Watt
Zahnkranz (hinten): Sram PG 1030, 11-36 Zähne, 10-fach
Kette: Sram PC 1031
Bremshebel: Magura MT 2, Griffweite verstellbar
Bremse (vorne): Magura MT 2, hydraulische Scheibenbremse, 180mm Disc
Bremse (hinten): Magura MT 2, hydraulische Scheibenbremse, 160mm Disc
Bereifung: Schwalbe Marathon Mondial, 40-622 Reflex
Felgen: Rodi T 622, Alu-Hohlkammer, geöst
Nabe (vorne): Shimano M 525 Disc, Alunabe mit Schnellspanner
Nabe (hinten): Sram Dual Drive
Speichen: DT Swiss Champion, 2,0mm
Lenker: eQ Lowriser Alu
Griffe: XLC Sport Schraubgriffe
Vorbau: eQ Alu, A-Head
Steuersatz: FSA DX, A-Head, semi integriert, 1 1/8"
Sattel: Selle San Marco Spid
Sattelstütze: eQ Alu 31,6mm, Alu Patent, Schelle mit Schnellspanner
Pedale: XLC MTB
Gewicht: 21,4 kg
Farbe: weiß/warm grey

The mechanical bike alone is worth £1,000+

 

[RobF]

This Haibike is 'neu' - new - and has the bigger battery.

My schoolboy German isn't up to much, but it looks to me the 1,500euro price is an auction starting price.

Don't know if there's a 'buy it now'.

Haibike °eQ Xduro RC° E-Bike Elektro-Fahrrad Pedelec Bosch Rh 50 - 2013 | eBay

 

[Cyclezee]

John,why do you refer to that Lightride bike as German?....a quick glance across the parts list seems to reveal pretty much the same bits as on my Eco or Liberty bikes....not sure what makes it German except perhaps the Germanic name.
What always gives these things away is the location of the EN15194 certificate....I am currently sitting alongside a 'Spanish' bike (well thats were it is supposed to be made) but the EN15194 certificates are from SGS Shanghai!!!!
Something about 'books and covers'
KudosDave

Hi Dave,

With the greatest respect, to the untrained eye, one bicycle looks very much like an other.

There are many physical differences between the Kudos models that you compare the the Lightride to. In my opinion, which I would not expect you to share for obvious reasons, the Lightride has higher quality branded components and is overall a better product.

The simple fact is, ANSMANN bikes are built in Germany on their production line, not China.

That is not to say there is no Chinese or Far Eastern content which I think you will find is the case with almost every bicycle on the market today.

All components no matter where they are sourced are rigorously tested for quality by ANSMANN to German standards.

I have nothing against good quality Chinese products, we sell what I believe are the best Chinese manufactured electric bikes on the market which incidentally have a lot of non Chinese content.

If I could upload a copy of the ANSMANN Declaration Of Conformity I would, but as it is not possible, it can be found on our website here Ansmann Downloads - electric bikes and conversion kits

Regards,

 

[flecc]

I am not sure he's bought the latest Bosch (small chainwheel), not at that price!

No, as I said, the low price was probably due to the impending new unit. In other words, with the new unit due the old one one was being cleared at a big discount. It is a brand new bike.

 

[trex]

john, these are self certifications - manufacturers are free to make them as long as they can substantiate their claim (eg with an EN15194 test certificate issued in another country). I don't see the problem: the motor is German, the guarantee is German. Nobody makes a bike with 100% locally sourced components.

 

[Cyclezee]

john, these are self certifications - manufacturers are free to make them as long as they can substantiate their claim (eg with an EN15194 test certificate issued in another country). I don't see the problem: the motor is German, the guarantee is German. Nobody makes a bike with 100% locally sourced components.

ANSMANN have their own test labs which are independently checked and approved so they have no need to use 3rd party testers.

 

[trex]

I think there may be confusion because of this:
Ansmann electric bike kit from BTN, View Ansmann electric bike kit, BTN Product Details from Hangzhou Minrui Trading Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com

Ansmann is foremost a consumer battery company with manufacturing factory in China, from their website, last year turnover of 51 Million Euros, employing 185 people in Germany, the rest in China.
I watched the company's videos, they have a German attitude to quality control, design and processes. Personally, I think that they are excellent.