August 15, 20187 yr Hi all Still looking for an ebike.....has anyone got a WOOSH RIO MTB ? and what do you think of it. Looks well,worth the money on paper ?
August 16, 20187 yr http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/woosh-rio-mtb-review-initial-impressions.27976/
August 16, 20187 yr Quite a bit of excitement on here when the woosh Rio was launched. Several members bought one, but the posts soon dried up. That often happens, owners lose interest in posting, if not the bike. Or it could be their bike has fallen to bits. Longevity is what would worry me, particularly if the use was going to be demanding, such as commuting.
August 16, 20187 yr Longevity is what would worry me, particularly if the use was going to be demanding, such as commuting. you don't have much faith in Chinese e-bikes do you? despite the evidence - that is the vast majority of commuters ride Chinese made e-bikes, they'd soon give up if their bikes fall to bits. A few have since built their own bikes, but the kits are still Chinese. Actually, how many that you know have switched to posher German bikes?
August 16, 20187 yr you don't have much faith in Chinese e-bikes do you? No. The OP hasn't given proposed use in this thread, but if that use is light - occasional weekend cycle path rides in the better weather - a Chinese bike may be adequate. Worth spending a bit more on a European brand if use is harder. Nothing can guarantee reliability and longevity, but you can tip the odds a little in your favour. Value is another point - Chinese bikes aren't quite the bargain they once were. Someone mentioned a Haibike/Yamaha for £1,500 ish, which looks fairly cheap compared to a Chinese hub bike at £1,000+. Someone also mentioned a new battery for a Chinese bike at £400+. Cheaper than a Bosch/Yamaha battery, but not a third of the price as it used to be.
August 16, 20187 yr Chinese bikes aren't quite the bargain they once were. Someone mentioned a Haibike/Yamaha for £1,500 ish, which looks fairly cheap compared to a Chinese hub bike at £1,000+. Someone also mentioned a new battery for a Chinese bike at £400+. Cheaper than a Bosch/Yamaha battery, but not a third of the price as it used to be. that is because the quality of Chinese bikes catches up with EU made bikes. Nowhere is as obvious as the quality of the frame. The level of detailing has improved a lot over the years, smooth welding is also widely used. Not just the frame, hydraulic brakes become also a standard feature. Even for bikes sold under £1,000. Here are my two latest bikes, they will be assembled in Southend this winter (they are being dismantled at present to avoid anti dumping). Find me a European bike that is better equipped for this sort of money, and assembled in Southend. The £899 budget commuter Sirocco 3: http://wooshbikes.co.uk/2018/sirocco3/sirocco3-800.jpg The 16kg Karoo 2018: http://wooshbikes.co.uk/2018/karoo/karoo-800.jpg PS: I still have customers who commute currently with the 2011 Sirocco and 2013 Sirocco 2. Is there anyone commuting with the original Bosch motor? Edited August 16, 20187 yr by Woosh
August 17, 20187 yr Bit of a silly challenge as you're the only assembler in Southend not as silly as who is the better screwdriver operator? most assembly work is mainly done with electric screwdrivers and imported components to start with. As I was looking for good electric screwdrivers, I could not find a good source in the UK, so I approached suppliers on alibaba. Do you know that they have hundreds of models with built in LCDs? you can program the start and stop torque, number of turns etc. for about £150.
August 17, 20187 yr Author Thanks to you all for your comments....I tried a Carrera crossfire today 1/2hr free test ride at Halfords...must say I was impressed,smooth ride and plenty of power, 4 modes plus a walk feature,great disc hydraulic brakes and at a sale price of £1000 ... very tempting !
August 17, 20187 yr there are many differences between the Carrera and the Rio MTB: - fork: the Rio has much lighter RST 100mm Omega fork compared to the Carrera 75mm Suntour SRNVX - crankset: the Rio has modern light and strong GXP crankset with external ballbearings, the Crossfire has old style square taper. - battery: the Rio has 13AH or 17AH, the Carerra 11.6AH - motor: the Rio has larger motor. - controller: the Rio has 17A controller, the Carerra 15A - LCD: the Rio has 5 assist levels, with user settable profile for each, the Carerra has 4 fixed levels. - the Rio has a throttle, lights, bell and mudguards. Regardless of hill gradients, you have to keep pedaling with the Carerra, more if the hill is steeper, you pedal as much as you like with the Rio. Edited August 17, 20187 yr by Woosh
August 17, 20187 yr Author You certainly make a strong case for the Rio, Woosh I’ll have to try and find a dealer in Cornwall ? And give it a test ride ?
August 17, 20187 yr Woosh I’ll have to try and find a dealer in Cornwall ? we sell directly without dealers although we can arrange for a local bike shop to look after your bike.
August 17, 20187 yr Author Appreciate your comments but realising the many differences in construction of ebikes, I don’t think I’d buy without first trying out,and unfortunately your 5hrs plus drive from me !
August 17, 20187 yr Woosh....our parent company,namely Rally Design,sells a cordless screwdriver that will easily assemble a bike. We use these drivers when assembling our stand trussing system (ZigZagtruss),they seem to last forever on a relatively small battery. When combined with bits and sockets they are pretty universal. www.rallydesign.co.uk Part No SWE223 Blackline 7.2v cordless screwdriver. Price £19.42 + vat. We dont put anything under our Blackline trading style that is not top quality. Good luck KudosDave
August 17, 20187 yr I am after auto shut off torque screwdrivers, something like this: https://sudongtech.en.alibaba.com/product/60203476109-805975527/Auto_shut_off_Torque_electric_Screwdriver.html
August 17, 20187 yr Author Hi Ken, thank you for looking. May be your next bike is a Woosh! Tony If I can try one first !
August 17, 20187 yr Author This thread was “what electric bike should I buy”...how did we get onto cordless screwdrivers ??
August 17, 20187 yr This thread was “what electric bike should I buy”...how did we get onto cordless screwdrivers ?? The mysteries of pedelecs.co.uk...
August 17, 20187 yr If I can try one first ! we don't have dealers at the moment but will have to in a few years down the line.
August 17, 20187 yr Just to add my two-penneth in respect of Woosh and it's product. When I tested and reviewed the Woosh Karoo back in April 2016, I was both impressed and to an extent amazed by the quality of the frame and it's paintwork. It certainly put the standard finish on some 'European' bikes to shame, and was a point that my cycle shop owning friend hit upon straight away. The cable operated discs were adequate for the task in hand, but with the switch to hydraulic brakes on the new models, and also the change away from the horrid looking chrome ended handle bar grips, the product has now taken a bit of a leap forward, but without sacrifice to price. I also don't necessarily see the use of lower end drivetrain components for example as being such a bad thing, as what else could be expected at this price break. Lower priced components can at times be more durable, in some cases easier to set up, and certainly less desirable to unwanted attention. Of course these components can be upgraded over time. The drive unit and battery set up seem to be of no concern, and any maintenance advice, is readily available, as I presume are parts. I don't know if Woosh now use a free hub/ cassette or are still using a free wheel system. I personally prefer the former, but suspect that again cost comes into play. When comparing Woosh to Halfords, whilst distance could be seen as an issue, I don't recall having seen anyone from Halfords offering advice or help on this or any other forum, and many examples can be seen on this forum, where Woosh have gone way over and above what would or could be considered normal service and help. I'm not going to drag up a previous thread highlighting this, but they certainly have more patience than I ever would. Edited August 17, 20187 yr by EddiePJ
August 17, 20187 yr When comparing Woosh to Halfords, whilst distance could be seen as an issue, I don't recall having seen anyone from Halfords offering advice or help on this or any other forum, and many examples can be seen on this forum, where Woosh have gone way over and above what would or could be considered normal service and help. I'm not going to drag up a previous thread highlighting this, but they certainly have more patience than I ever would. Agreed! I'm sure that Halfords do employ some capable and knowledgeable staff, but can you be sure of finding one of them if you have a problem with an ebike? My experience is that most of the people there would be better off selling something really technical - like socks or toothpaste. If you won't risk* a Woosh, then at least buy from a proper bike shop - preferably one with real expertise in ebikes (yes - there are some, even as far away as Cornwall). * As far as I can see, you would be down about £135 if you ordered a Rio and then sent it straight back because you didn't like it.
August 17, 20187 yr I bough a nice woosh Krieger last year and the workmanship of the bike has been good. No problems with anything on the bike so far, living on the coast in Scotland its been great with the sea air. I would have no hesitation in buying again long distance from them. I think i have one of the only Matt Black Kriegers in the country as well. Not sure if many more have been sold in this colour.
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