which bike to go for?

[skint]

After much consideration and based on forum's reviews

I've narrowed it down to final 2 bikes... KTM e cross, and Oxegen MTB

KTM quality components used, build quality and brand heritage

Oxegen, cheaper price (£1700), has throttle.

Ideally I should try the bikes out, Bikeshed's location is poor IMO, nowhere to test the bike's uphill capability, it means I would have to bring the bike down to Manchester, and return it again, although they are interested in taking my virtual brand new Canondale in px, it might just swing their way.(if anyone interested I sell my Badboy for £400)

Oxegen, even further to travel, and the frame is 47cm, not sure if its too small for me? I'm 5"11, but Jon was extremely accommodating, he said he would meet me anytime any day including Sunday.Talk about enthusiasm .

Hmmm.. decisions decisons??!!

 

[trex]

the Oxygen does the job, the KTM doesn't because it can't have a throttle.
But if you went for the Oxygen for the 8Fun CST motor and a throttle, then you should also include other bikes with CST/BPM because nearly all of them have throttle like the Volt Pulse X and the better priced Kudos Arriba.
5ft11? I'd say you need a 50cm frame and 26" wheels.

 

[Artstu]

If you can stretch to buying the KTM I'd buy it, worth paying a little extra for what is a better quality bike IMO.

 

[trex]

what's the highest assist level on the KTM?

Typically, on Bosch bikes, you have these levels:
eco: 50%
tour: 110%
sport: 170%
turbo: 250%

Assume you want to climb a 10% hill at 10 mph and you weigh 125kgs.

Power required if using throttle: 450W

You need leg power to be:
eco: 300W (forget that)
tour: 214W (forget that too)
sport: 167W (forget that too)
turbo: 128W

The only sensible choice is turbo mode.
If you are unfit, it's still very hard to produce this kind of effort.
I think Chinese bikes are better for the unfit, up to 900% assist with the J-LCD at level 5.

 

[skint]

what's the highest assist level on the KTM?

what's the highest assist level on the KTM?

Typically, on Bosch bikes, you have these levels:
eco: 50%
tour: 110%
sport: 170%
turbo: 250%

Assume you want to climb a 10% hill at 10 mph and you weigh 125kgs.

Power required if using throttle: 450W

You need leg power to be:
eco: 300W (forget that)
tour: 214W (forget that too)
sport: 167W (forget that too)
turbo: 128W

The only sensible choice is turbo mode.
If you are unfit, it's still very hard to produce this kind of effort.
I think Chinese bikes are better for the unfit, up to 900% assist with the J-LCD at level 5.

Typically, on Bosch bikes, you have these levels:
eco: 50%
tour: 110%
sport: 170%
turbo: 250%

Assume you want to climb a 10% hill at 10 mph and you weigh 125kgs.

Power required if using throttle: 450W

You need leg power to be:
eco: 300W (forget that)
tour: 214W (forget that too)
sport: 167W (forget that too)
turbo: 128W

The only sensible choice is turbo mode.
If you are unfit, it's still very hard to produce this kind of effort.
I think Chinese bikes are better for the unfit, up to 900% assist with the J-LCD at level 5.

Hi trex, the KTM is pansonic powered, what would the percentage be in terms of power?

 

[trex]

that's up to the guys at KTM to program the controller. I think they follow the same levels as with their Bosch bikes, 50%, 110%, 170% and 250%.
The J-LCD is programmed for much higher assist level, 200% on level 1 to 900% on level 5, requiring much less input from the riders on pedal assist.
Of course if you use the throttle, the ratio is infinite.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

If you can stretch to buying the KTM I'd buy it, worth paying a little extra for what is a better quality bike IMO.

There's lots of different KTMs with different prices. Which one are you comparing with the Oxygen to say that it's better quality? Which bits do you think are better? Have you seen or tried the Oxygen?

 

[Artstu]

Which one are you comparing with the Oxygen to say that it's better quality?

I've narrowed it down to final 2 bikes... KTM e cross, and Oxegen MTB

I'll leave it for those more interested to do comparisons on the individual parts on each bike. Perhaps it's just perceived quality I see, but for me I'd pay the extra.

 

[TinKitten]

The Panasonic hub on the e Cross P will give you up to 400% assist on the 'High' setting.

I'm very pleased with the build quality of my KTM. I can't compare it to Oxygen though as I never viewed or tried any of their bikes.

 

[Kudoscycles]

After much consideration and based on forum's reviews

I've narrowed it down to final 2 bikes... KTM e cross, and Oxegen MTB

KTM quality components used, build quality and brand heritage

Oxegen, cheaper price (£1700), has throttle.

Ideally I should try the bikes out, Bikeshed's location is poor IMO, nowhere to test the bike's uphill capability, it means I would have to bring the bike down to Manchester, and return it again, although they are interested in taking my virtual brand new Canondale in px, it might just swing their way.(if anyone interested I sell my Badboy for £400)

Oxegen, even further to travel, and the frame is 47cm, not sure if its too small for me? I'm 5"11, but Jon was extremely accommodating, he said he would meet me anytime any day including Sunday.Talk about enthusiasm .

Hmmm.. decisions decisons??!!

Skint....I normally don't get involved if a customer has decided on his choice,another option is a distraction. But if you are considering both those bikes my Kudos Typhoon at £1195.00 is a well proven option on this forum.
It has a similar bike spec to the Oxygen MTB
I also sell the KTM Panasonic out of our London Shop,it is a very powerful bike for climbing hills,similar performance to the Kudos Typhoon 29er. The KTM styling is very good as you would expect,it is twice the price of the Kudos.
Your height is perfect for the 29er frame and it has a speed sensor for instant power up hills.
KudosDave

 

[jackhandy]

I also sell the KTM Panasonic out of our London Shop,it is a very powerful bike for climbing hills,similar performance to the Kudos Typhoon 29er

Except that the panasonic's 48 volt: Doesn't that give it significantly better performance?