What's my Agattu worth?

[musicbooks]

I am in the process of upgrading my e-bike and I am about to sell my 2008 Kalkhoff Agattu Diamond cross. Can anyone advise on how much it might sell for. I have no idea ( though please don't take advantage of my ignorance ^__^) .The bike is in full working order (though front light is intermittent). 49 cm cross/male frame -(no longer available) My commute is short approx 6 miles per day. The bike has been serviced at least once every year. The battery is working but range is down to about 6 miles, so I would recommend a replacement. The rear wheel and hub was re-built 7 months ago, with new puncture-resistant all-weather commuter tyres.

 

[Cyclezee]

Hi Musicbooks,

Flecc's formula is a good guide, you can find it via the following link http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/selling-and-buying-second-hand-e-bikes.4311/

Good luck

 

[D8ve]

I don't want to buy it but your problem is the battery. With a good battery you could get £500.
A similar bike with no battery went for £200 last week to be broken as spares.
It's not valueless but not worth a lot now sorry

 

[musicbooks]

Surely it's worth more than spares?

 

[D8ve]

That's what I paid for it. It was in immaculate condition. I split it and upgraded the motor to 36volt with 12 amp battery.
If you are prepared to wait and sell a bit at a time you could get more. The gear hub could be worth a few bob but check out the bikes sold here already. The old panasonics are respected but don't have a high value when six years old.

 

[musicbooks]

Do you think it would it be worth buying a replacement battery to up the price ( e.g. Panasonic copy http://www.ebay.de/itm/NEU-18Ah-E-B...sport_Fahrrad_Kindersitze&hash=item25925bef3c or find a cheaper second hand original?

 

[D8ve]

I doubt it's worth spending £300 to get the bike upto £500 value.
Look at the competition and other bikes sold here. Landy guy is selling his check it out?

 

[musicbooks]

Thanks D8ve..

 

[Gringo]

I don't want to rain on your parade but
My Agattu owened it from new (2008) and did less than 900 miles, eventually sold for £300
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/kalkhoff-agattu.15873/#post-212622
I'm sure if I'd put it on eBay, I may well have got a bit more But I didn't want the bother, what with tyre kickers and fees n stuff.
I now have a Cube reaction 29 and the Agattu is nothing more than a distant memory

Best of luck with your sale

 

[flecc]

The battery is the killer with e-bike sales. The Agattu price varied wildly in 2008, some introductory ones at £1145 but mostly more like £1400. Knock off £500 for the old battery price and you can see we are looking at less than £900 for the bike alone when new. Therefore £300 is quite a high price at six years old, compare with cars at 6 years old which are hard pushed to get one third price.

The other factor is the large scale of change since. The most recent Panasonic powered Agattu has full power all the way to 15 mph and the high power mode is 2 times. The 2008 Agattu had power phase down starting at under 10 mph and it's high power mode was only 1.3 times, so the performance is very different.

It's not just the Agattu that's suffered of course, e-bikes in general over the last four years have improved more than in the previous eleven years, so few are worth much at six or more years old now.
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[trex]

I suggest you take any offer over £250.

 

[103Alex1]

^^ definitely - I got offered £500 for my 2012 premium C11 with 2013 software update which cost £2.5k under 2 years ago. The hub gears cost more than that . I'd say it's probably down to about £50 by now lol.

 

[tillson]

I've sold a 2008 Agattu today (the one Gringo referres to above). It was a very nice bike, in good condition and had done low mileage. The six year old battery gave a solid 25 mile range. I paid £300 for it a few months ago, have spent about £50 to £75 on it, and sold the bike for £325.

It seems a low price for a bike costing £1400 only a few years ago, but I think we have to accept that depreciation on electric bikes is savage. This is due to a combination of high replacement battery cost and advancing technology.

Regardless of the age of the bike and the sworn testamony of the seller that the battery is as good as new, if I were buying a second hand bike, I'd assume that the battery was in need of replacement and factor that into my valuation. £300 +/- £50 for a six year old Kalkhoff is a fair price and it will sell. There are some on eBay and on 50C's Second Hand pages for £500+ . They have been there for a long time and are likely to remain there, losing more money in depreciation. I would say that people are just to wary of second hand eBikes to spend a lot of money. Priced in the region of £300 and they are worth a punt and you will sell your Agattu. I wouldn't buy a new battery to try and boost the price because you will lose more money. A buyer won't believe its new and won't increase their offer by the amount you spend on the new battery.

 

[RobF]

Unfortunate situation.

The bike is worth next to nothing with a nearly shot battery, but is only worth about the price of battery if it had a new one.

Spending money on a new battery makes no sense, but it might help the job along if you could find a very cheap secondhand battery which still has some grunt.

Factoring in buying and selling fees means you could use a lot of time and effort, but end up with less than a hundred quid.

 

[musicbooks]

Thanks folks, I suspected as much .. but we can but hope!! I think if I make £300 I'd be happy .. My plan is to buy through cycle to work + savings. I might throw in a 12 year old Micra for free, though this might just kill any chance of a sale.

 

[flecc]

I might throw in a 12 year old Micra for free, though this might just kill any chance of a sale.

Not that bad surely? Pat, a neighbour of mine has a near 21 year old L reg. Micra which never lets her down, more than I can say for some of the expensive stuff round here.

 

[musicbooks]

Great little car..only one bust lightbulb in 12 years ..but probably worth less than my Agattu

 

[flecc]

Great little car..only one bust lightbulb in 12 years ..but probably worth less than my Agattu

Indeed, once had a Tipo that I kept for nearly 11 years from new. That hadn't even needed a light bulb and still looked like new with 14,000 mileage, so nicely run in. Value, £500.
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[Cyclezee]

Indeed, once had a Tipo that I kept for nearly 11 years from new. That hadn't even needed a light bulb and still looked like new with 14,000 mileage, so nicely run in. Value, £500.
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A better experience than I had with my Tipo.
It was 1.9 turbo diesel that pulled like a train but leaky windscreen which allowed water into the electrics, silencer that fell apart etc., etc.
My wife, daughter and I have had several Fiat's over the years, 131 Mirafiori, Strada, Uno's, Punto's, Tipo, Tempra's and the original Croma.
My conclusion was small Fiat good large Fiat with the exception of the Croma bad. Then we get to Alfa Romeo, I had a 155 which was a great car to drive but it spent more time in the garage than on the road, after that I decided never to buy another Italian car...ever...until I bought a Fiat Doblo, absolutely brilliant vehicle, cheap to run on LPG, Alan was like a member of the family.

Probably my best buy was a used Daihatsu Hijet van, body by Piaggio, engine by Toyota . Original owners were Fulham and Hammersmith Council and it was used as their library emergency response vehicle, (how many emergencies does a library have?) factory fitted LPG, 14K on the clock, cheap as chips to run and very reliable.

I paid £1250 for Rupert, more than doubled the mileage over a 2 year period and sold it for £1750

 

[musicbooks]

I have to say, he does indeed look like a Rupert