Two wheel invalid carriages

[Doie]

I have never read or posted anything on this site before and I don’t expect I will ever do so again because I don’t usually take any interest in two wheel invalid carriages, my main business is in high end carbon bikes where the only form of propulsion is the rider pedalling.

But having concluded my business at the bike show in Shanghai, I was just wandering around and I looked some of these amusing electric bikes. I was surprised to see a Wisper bike that I’d seen in the UK. It was on a stand from a company called “Cycleman” which is a Chinese factory. I asked them and they confirmed that they make these bikes in China.

When I have seen Wisper electric bikes in the UK I have been told they are made in Germany…so naughty naughty!

It seems that you guys are not just cheating cyclists, the manufacturers are up to “naughties” as well

I’m sure you all love your electric bikes, it takes all sorts, and you can do whatever turns you on, but I do think they have taken a simple reliable idea namely a bicycle, and made it overly complicated, expensive and apparently unreliable, and judging by some of the comments on this site they are a bit of a nightmare.

Maybe when I am old and decrepid, and unable to pedal properly I might think about one, maybe you lot all are all old, decrepid and unable to pedal properly now, you probably are, so that’s ok then, go ahead and ride them, but if you aren’t, get off your lazy man’s bike, and don’t be fooled by the makers claims. They should be honest about where they are made, so the price can’t be artificially inflated.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

You hadn't seen that Wisper bike in the UK before. It's a new model with several fundamental differences from the old ones.

Wisper did try to have their bikes made in Germany, but it's a well known fact that it didn't work out and that they returned to Chinese supply. I can't remember if they made an official announcement, but they probably did otherwise I wouldn't have known about it. I think it's wrong to accuse them of cheating or misleading though.

I don't know where you get the idea that these bikes are complicated and unreliable. I've been using electric bikes for 5 years and never had a breakdown. The only problem I had was falling off on some ice that damaged the wiring. You have to balance that against 5 years and 10,000 miles of happy electric assisted cycling. There would appear to be a disproportionate number of problems on this forum because this is where people come to get help. Most people buy their electric bike and live hapily ever after.

 

[flecc]

I was surprised to see a Wisper bike that I’d seen in the UK. It was on a stand from a company called “Cycleman” which is a Chinese factory. I asked them and they confirmed that they make these bikes in China.

When I have seen Wisper electric bikes in the UK I have been told they are made in Germany…so naughty naughty!

It seems that you guys are not just cheating cyclists, the manufacturers are up to “naughties” as well

Not so Doie, the principal of Wisper bikes, David Miall, would not deceive in this way, and he is a fellow member of the Pedelecs forum.

The facts are that it was always openly acknowledged that the Wisper e-bikes were made in China until the point when the manufacture was transferred to Germany. More recently it was transferred back to China.

Therefore both accounts are true, simply changing over time.

As for reliability, I've been riding e-bikes for over 11 years with only one specific e-bike problem which was immediately repaired by replacement under warranty. Otherwise it's just been the occasional new battery. My current one is over 8 years old, bought August 2006, and hasn't had a single problem on the electrical side, just routine bicycle repairs.

N.B. Crossed with d8veh's post.
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[Summerlightning]

Not sure what the OP is hoping to achieve other than annoying people for the fun of it.

 

[KirstinS]

Not sure what the OP is hoping to achieve other than annoying people for the fun of it.

I couldn't agree more, clear trolling for its own sake in a most antagonistic manner

I'm not responding to the ballcocks spouted!

 

[Nealh]

There are many narrow minded people in the world and he sounds like one of them, he says he doesn't expect to post again lets hope he keeps to his word, but I doubt it.

 

[selrahc1992]

Not sure what the OP is hoping to achieve other than annoying people for the fun of it.

I have never read or posted anything on this site before and I don’t expect I will ever do so again because I don’t usually take any interest in two wheel invalid carriages, my main business is in high end carbon bikes where the only form of propulsion is the rider pedalling.

But having concluded my business at the bike show in Shanghai, I was just wandering around and I looked some of these amusing electric bikes. I was surprised to see a Wisper bike that I’d seen in the UK. It was on a stand from a company called “Cycleman” which is a Chinese factory. I asked them and they confirmed that they make these bikes in China.

When I have seen Wisper electric bikes in the UK I have been told they are made in Germany…so naughty naughty!

It seems that you guys are not just cheating cyclists, the manufacturers are up to “naughties” as well

I’m sure you all love your electric bikes, it takes all sorts, and you can do whatever turns you on, but I do think they have taken a simple reliable idea namely a bicycle, and made it overly complicated, expensive and apparently unreliable, and judging by some of the comments on this site they are a bit of a nightmare.

Maybe when I am old and decrepid, and unable to pedal properly I might think about one, maybe you lot all are all old, decrepid and unable to pedal properly now, you probably are, so that’s ok then, go ahead and ride them, but if you aren’t, get off your lazy man’s bike, and don’t be fooled by the makers claims. They should be honest about where they are made, so the price can’t be artificially inflated.

my sympathy with the difficult menopause.

 

[Deleted member 4366]

You should have a bit of sympathy for him. It's not his fault that his brain doesn't work well enough to figure out what ebikes can do. My previous response was just to make it clear to anybody that reads the thread that he is totally wrong with everything he said in case they get the wrong idea.

 

[flecc]

And I always respond to such misleading items for the same reason as d8veh, to ensure others are not misled.

It's too easy to miss the fact that forums like this have more visitors than members.
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[Summerlightning]

Hope my reply didn’t come across as too pushy

On reflection it does look a bit harsh

 

[oldtom]

Just because you don't believe anything this poster may have to say you mustn't be too harsh; he's training to become a politician!

Tom

 

[Summerlightning]

I wanted to be a politician but my mum and dad were married.

 

[flecc]

Hope my reply didn’t come across as too pushy

On reflection it does look a bit harsh

Nothing wrong with your post Chris, when someone posts as provocatively as the OP, they must expect a strong response.
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[selrahc1992]

Nothing wrong with your post Chris, when someone posts as provocatively as the OP, they must expect a strong response.
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curious though - i re-eead the OP: someone who recognises a whisper ebike on sight - not quite the complete disinterest in ebikes he pretends - in fact it seems an elaborate orchestrated dig at whisper - and apparently runs a bike business - i'm not poirot, but this seems a troll with a specific grievance to me, not just a cognitively challenged mamil

 

[Deleted member 4366]

Yes, something doesn't quite add up. The anti-dumping tax makes it unattractive to buy Chinese non-electric bikes, so what was he doing at the show in the first place, if he was actually there? The fact that he knew about the Cycleman stand implies that he was probably there, but what would he be doing in the electric bike hall if he doesn't like them? Very fishy indeed. Lets think! Who doesn't like Wisper? Surely not Freego?

 

[Croxden]

My youngest daughters boyfriend rode my Haibike on one of my routes, I had the Delite. He is a proper cyclist but gave it a go thinking he was going to have an easy ride. Unaware of the hilly terrain we have here he was surprised how much effort was required to keep up with me.
Although he is unlikely to have a Pedelec just yet, he appreciates how they extend the cycling old worn people like me can continue to do without loosing the fun of cycling that a moped type of assist would give.

He liked the bike a lot more than he thought possible.

 

[flecc]

Those like the OP who are biased so strongly into ultra light road bikes are the people who killed cycling in this country.

Their obsession gave cycling the image of being only a sporting and fitness pursuit, putting off the millions from using bikes as transport in the way the population once did.

E-bikes are righting that wrong, making cycling practical for the masses in every terrain and for all purposes.
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[Deleted member 4366]

At the London Cycle show. I tried to coax a few passing guys to have a go on the electric bikes. Most said,"no, not for me" or various derogatory comments; however, I still managed to persuade a few, and every one of them afterwards said that it was a lot better than expected. Some even asked the price and one bought a bike on the spot.

The best was when about a dozen guys from a cycling club came to the stand. One of them had been asked by a friend to try the Oxygen MTB and report back (supposedly!). All his mates were taking the rise out of him. While he was going around the track, I said to his mates that when he comes back, he would start rubbing his chin and say that it was much better than he thought it would be, which is exactly what happened. Anyway, they all left the stand laughing and joking. About ten minutes later, they were all back, and all wanted to have a go. Afterwards, they were all rubbing their chins in deep discussion. I think a few of them wanted to buy one, but didn't want to admit it to the others. They then left the stand again, but this time, you could see a much more thoughtful tone in their demeanour. Maybe some orders were phoned through after the show. Who knows!

 

[anotherkiwi]

The OP forgot people who don't have a car. A pedelec can be the primary and sole means of transport for some people. Because they can't afford to buy and run a car or because they can afford to buy one but don't want to for other reasons.

Quite frankly I don't have the money to buy a bike with a carbon fibre frame.

As for wearing tights in public... If I am going to go all kinky it will be in the privacy of my home

 

[jonathan75]

I have never read or posted anything on this site before and I don’t expect I will ever do so again because I don’t usually take any interest in two wheel invalid carriages, my main business is in high end carbon bikes where the only form of propulsion is the rider pedalling....





It seems that you guys are not just cheating cyclists,....

I’m sure you all love your electric bikes, it takes all sorts, and you can do whatever turns you on,....

Maybe when I am old and decrepid, and unable to pedal properly I might think about one, maybe you lot all are all old, decrepid and unable to pedal properly now, you probably are, so that’s ok then, go ahead and ride them, but if you aren’t, get off your lazy man’s bike,

Wow - this is some pretty vicious 'ableism' - the word invalid is used here to be deliberately offensive, as are 'old and decrepit'.

The claim about cheating says it all though - the man is utterly paranoid and imagines he lives 24/7 in some inescapable Darwinian nightmare of one-upmanship, so he tries to relieve the pressure on himself by coming on here and demeaning actual people a propos of nothing more than his own gnawing sense of inferiority.

Talk about a sick mind.

And cowardice - if you said this in person any number of people would put your teeth in.

Edit - d8veh is right, something doesn't quite add up. Couching an attack on Wisper in the simulated persona of a roided up psychopath makes more sense. Although you can't just say things like this without wanting to hurt people somehow too, for some reason.