The EU, In or Out.

[neptune]

Angela Merkel has said that she will "accept" Britain`s exit from the EU. Her generosity and magnanimity knows no bounds. How frightfully decent of her. In the event of Britain deciding to leave, I personally think that she has no choice, and that what she accepts or rejects is of absolutely no consequence. Setting aside the arrogance of her statement, she has made it quite clear that when it comes to the question of limiting immigration, there is zero room for negotiation.

In spite of this "call me Dave" Cammeron is taking the view that she is only kidding, and that he is going to renegotiate the rules on immigration, prior to a referendum which will allegedly take place in 2017. It is obvious to me, and to a lot of other people that his position is unsustainable. I believe that a majority of people in the UK are sick to the back teeth of the EU with its petty regulation of every aspect of our lives, and its increasingly obvious corruption on a gobsmacking scale.

It would be interesting to see a survey on a vast scale to assess public opinion as to whether we should leave the EU. The problem is that I do not believe any top newspaper has the courage to conduct such a survey.

 

[flecc]

I do not believe any top newspaper has the courage to conduct such a survey.

Just as well, given their grossly dishonest reporting on EU issues.
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[oigoi]

Merkels way of saying "we've got enough people at our party, doesn't matter if you don't want to come". Personally I think this country is presently at a net loss from our EU membership. I can understand the benefits for trading but it takes so much time and costs so much money trying to get all the different countries to agree on anything, often on things that we do not need to have any universal agreement on such as vegetables being a particular size. An EU that was pared back to the bare minimum of complexity would perhaps be more beneficial to us. At the moment I think there is a general feeling that we have given away too much control of our own nation.

 

[RobF]

No doubt in my mind that if the question: "In or out?" was asked of the electorate today, the answer would be a resounding 'out'.

Thus we don't get asked because there are too many passengers in positions of influence on the EU gravy train who don't want to get off.

When we do get asked, it looks like we will have to decide between 'out' and 'in, but it won't be the same because we've renegotiated this and that and it will all be much better, honest, read my lips, trust me I'm a politician.'.

 

[Croxden]

We had VAT so we could join the club, will we be able be rid of the stupid thing should we abdicate?

 

[JohnCade]

No doubt in my mind that if the question: "In or out?" was asked of the electorate today, the answer would be a resounding 'out'.

Thus we don't get asked because there are too many passengers in positions of influence on the EU gravy train who don't want to get off.

When we do get asked, it looks like we will have to decide between 'out' and 'in, but it won't be the same because we've renegotiated this and that and it will all be much better, honest, read my lips, trust me I'm a politician.'.

Latest polls don't bear that out. Over 50% wanted to stay in. Way higher than a five years ago when over 40% would have voted for out and only about 35% for in.

If a referendum was held the voter always moves toward the status quo toward the end when the possible consequences of change become apparent.

 

[flecc]

Personally I think this country is presently at a net loss from our EU membership. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - An EU that was pared back to the bare minimum of complexity would perhaps be more beneficial to us.

The loss has two parts:

1) An unwillingness from the outset to properly enter into the spirit of the organisation.

2) The active and I think quite deliberate spoiling by John Major when he pushed the organisation hard towards it's enlargement into the old Soviet bloc countries, far beyond the original EU and making it much more difficult to manage equitably.

The first of the above was best illustrated by the euro. Had we entered into it, adding the strength of the pound would have made the euro unassailable and currency dealers would have realised the game was up.

Make no mistake, currency dealers hate any move towards currency integrations since that limits their chances to make money by playing one currency against another by manipulation. As such they've done everything in their power to harm the euro in the markets, Britain and Sweden not joining in showing just the weaknesses they needed to exploit. They want the euro to fall apart and give them over twenty more currencies to manipulate.

And who are those currency speculators who play with billions and our welfare every day? Apart from a handful of obscenely wealthy individuals, they are chiefly the bankers who use our money for their own and, to a lesser extent, shareholders benefit at great cost to us, the general public.

And of course they love it when we blame the EU, the US sub-prime property market or anything else our corrupt press suggest is the problem.

There are solutions, and we should be concentrating on those, rather than attacking the symptoms instead of the cause.
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[neptune]

Nice to see a fair and balanced discussion. Getting older has taught me that there are always people who don`t share my point of view, and I have learned to respect that. Personally, I feel that like all monsters, the EU has developed a life and culture of its own. It has become intoxicated by its own power, and it is now beyond reform. For me, the only way is out.

 

[flecc]

Or fully integrating it into a completely democratic federation of Nation States?
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[billadie]

Could we please have an in/out referendum asap? I believe that the majority will be to remain in. It would have the added benefits of splitting the Tory party in two, and sending Nigel Farage back to which ever lounge bar he formed his opinions in.

 

[neptune]

Angela Merkel is quoted as saying that the fall of the berlin Wall is evidence that dreams can come true. Me, I dream every night of Britain`s exit from the EU...

 

[Kinninvie]

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