June 8, 20232 yr Author Youngster pursued by cops evades them and "a short time later" crashes and is killed...don't think there is really much to be said that wasn't already said in this post... https://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/two-boys-die-in-ebike-accident-cardiff-riot-broke-out-after-police-prevented-parents-seeing-fatal-crash-victims-close-relative-says.45360/
June 8, 20232 yr Author This will cause ructions in the cops/media as it should, 3 kids dead in 2 weeks after being pursued by cops.
June 8, 20232 yr Was it an 'ebike' as reported by the BBC here, or was it actually an electric motorbike (45mph + Sur-Ron - as in the first case a few weeks ago in Wales) I can picture the Daily Mail comments now - BAN THEM EBIKES NOW!! - They are lethal and they don't pay any road tax !!
June 8, 20232 yr He then collided with the ambulance parked in Langworthy Road. you watch will be no crash helmet and like wtf he crashed in to a parked ambulance idk
June 8, 20232 yr The fact the ambulance was stationary suggests his mind was on what was behind him rather than in front. you watch will be no crash helmet Not sure what that means. I dont wear a lid. In fact the wearing of safety gear is said to be a greater cause of accidents in itself. We found images of cyclists wearing helmets or safety vests to have a higher probability of being selected as less human compared to images of cyclists wearing no safety equipment. The results have implications for research on cyclist dehumanisation and its mitigation.” Cyclists with helmets were perceived as less human compared to those without, while cyclists with safety vests and no helmets were perceived as least human. The researchers concluded that dehumanisation related more to visible safety gear than obstruction of hair or eyes and the perceptions of dehumanisation also varied based on respondent gender. On the same lines, cyclists wearing a cap were viewed as more human than those wearing a full helmet. “Our findings add to this growing research, suggesting that cyclists wearing safety attire, particularly high-visibility vests, may be dehumanised more so than cyclists without safety attire,” the study concludes. “As dehumanisation has been found to be predictive of hostile and aggressive behaviour (Kteily & Landry, 2022), our finding highlights a potential conflict around the perception and utility of safety gear such as high-visibility vests; although designed for safety, they may inadvertently increase levels of hostility and aggression towards this group of vulnerable road users.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1369847823001018?ref=pdf_download&fr=RR-2&rr=7d2874659b647201
June 8, 20232 yr come walk round Gloucester you need a crash helmet just to walk around but if he crashed in to a ambulance and still died he was not on a road legal bike but we shall see. a m8 on a 1000w hub motor bike hit one of the gray bollards and broke it going 30mph pissed he spent 2 weeks in hospital but if he had no helmet he would be dead. i never had a helmet for years but times have changed esp round here and how no one has been killed yet its only a matter of time i have seen bikes down that canal path going 60mph+ and plod dont care and i ride round the country lanes and get cars passing me going 60mph and giant piles of horse $hit all over the roads.
June 8, 20232 yr Author Bollards can be tricky to see whereas an ambulance is possibly the most visible vehicle on the road....how could he not see it unless he was under duress so losing control?
June 8, 20232 yr where my mouse arrow is where it broke he went flat out straight in to it and got the front wheel right in the hole so the frame hit it he went super man and landed like a pancake and i missed it tho now they have put another one up in the layby so you wont fly in to the road and get ran over as well but if you hit it going like 70/80mph you should land in aldi car park Edited June 8, 20232 yr by soundwave
June 9, 20232 yr Wear a helmet https://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/20/health/half-headed-man-arrested-again-trnd/index.html https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/real-life/man-left-half-skull-after-8181834 https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/kenny-bailey-dwp_uk_573727fde4b0f0f53e363aa5 https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/crime/british-man-who-lost-part-of-skull-after-alleged-pub-assault-now-in-uk-mental-health-hospital/ https://www.emirates247.com/offbeat/indian-with-half-a-skull-alive-well-and-hopeful-of-bright-future-2012-04-19-1.454594 https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/470571/Man-forced-to-live-with-half-a-head-after-smashing-skull-in-fall https://www.timesnownews.com/viral/man-sues-employer-for-rs-1-87-crore-after-losing-half-his-skull-on-work-night-out-article-93734944
June 9, 20232 yr [ATTACH type=full" alt="DSC_0081_04.JPG]51966[/ATTACH] he went flat out straight in to it and got the front wheel right in the hole This guy needs glasses.
June 9, 20232 yr From the published pictures of the bike involved in this tragic incident and the one in Wales a couple of weeks ago, both appear to involve electric motorcycles. The Daily Mail has published photos of flowers at the scene In Manchester. In the foreground are two electric motorcycles, both have a rider and pillion not wearing helmets. There are a lot of unknowns, but we do know that in both cases the police were not perusing the motorbikes. In the case of the Wales incident, there was a gap of 16 second between the motorbike and police van. We also know that for whatever reason, the children involved in both incidents had been facilitated access to high performance motorcycles and as a result of inadequate supervision, been able to use them on a road without any safety equipment. Electric motorcycles of this type can reach 50 mph very rapidly. The focus of both incidents should rightly include the actions of the police, but also the actions of parents and how their children came to be in possession of a high performance motorbike on a road. The distinction between E-Bike and electric motorcycle needs reporting more clearly, particularly by the BBC. They should be reporting more responsibly than they are doing with this type of incident. Edited June 9, 20232 yr by tillson
June 9, 20232 yr The ebike law is quite complex and there are legacy laws for older ebikes that are still allowed to be ridden plus other allowances in the law for kit ebikes and specially tested ebikes with throttles. It's a little complicated but still I would say the two things to focus on are assistance is only allowed up to about 17mph (15.5mph plus a 10% tolerance) and all vehicles should be bicycles this can be blurred by moped styling and some fairly thick set fat bikes etc but every ebike must have pedals that can be used to propel the vehicle. Many of these high power off-road ebikes don't appear to have pedals and so its even easier to see the assistance speed because there is nothing else. It's extremely hard to gauge wattage from a police perspective. I feel in both instances here the police have identified two highly illegal vehicles which risk injuring and killing innocent people if they lose control or don't ride responsibly with such power. The police should be pursuing them and stopping them. Unfortunately these are soo high powered it can be difficult for the police to catch them. If you are being pursued by the police you should stop immediately. The idea that you just try to evade the police and risk the lives of yourselves and others is just utterly moronic and criminal.
June 9, 20232 yr Wear a helmet It's sensible to wear a helmet, BUT, don't assume it will offer much protection if in a collision with a car at 30 mph. Cycle helmets are only designed to protect you when falling from your bike and hitting the ground at speeds below about 10 mph. Also, while they protect the skull, they offer little protection to the brain. Another aspect is that helmets have been found to have a dehumanising effect...think of all the faceless storm troopers that get wiped out and no-one cares that they are people too This is from research done in Australia: Increasing the uptake of active, carbon neutral forms of transport is indicated for both population health and environmental conservation. Efforts to increase cycling uptake are hindered by negative attitudes towards cyclists. Recent research from Australia has found that many people consider cyclists to be less than fully human. There is currently a lack of empirical evidence that explains these dehumanising perceptions. Most people who ride bicycles in Australia wear safety helmets as required by mandatory helmet laws. We hypothesised that people wearing bicycle helmets are perceived as less human compared to people without helmets due to reduced visibility of eyes and hair. We tested this hypothesis through a survey (n = 563) comprised of two-paired alternate forced choice questions to identify which image of a cyclist respondents consider to be less human. We then analysed the results using a Bradley-Terry probability model. We found images of cyclists wearing helmets or safety vests to have a higher probability of being selected as less human compared to images of cyclists wearing no safety equipment. The results have implications for research on cyclist dehumanisation and its mitigation. From:
June 9, 20232 yr Hopefully people in the comments on this article are more respectful of the young person who lost their life. Hate all the point scoring that these articles bring to this forum, Some of the comments about the 2 young boys who lost their lives in the last accident are a disgrace. Remember these boys are someones sons, brother's etc.
June 9, 20232 yr Hopefully people in the comments on this article are more respectful of the young person who lost their life. Hate all the point scoring that these articles bring to this forum, Some of the comments about the 2 young boys who lost their lives in the last accident are a disgrace. Remember these boys are someones sons, brother's etc. The problem we have is that society is failing these kids. Parents are not making sure their kids are brought up properly. Given ipads and electric motor bikes to shut them up, rather than showing love by spending time with them. An under resourced and staffed police force is then left to pick up the pieces and deal with the mess. People get angry when these kids go zipping about on motorbikes (petrol and electric), they feel powerless to do anything about it and feel the police will do nothing as it's not a high priority. The anger causes people to forget that these kids are someone's brother/son. So it's a crappy situation all round.
June 9, 20232 yr I was pondering the other day as the law is written, Ebikes - "must have a maximum power output of 250 watts" could this be used in a worse case, to remove all ebikes from the UK shops & roads?
June 9, 20232 yr This will cause ructions in the cops/media as it should, 3 kids dead in 2 weeks after being pursued by cops. you are at confused.com, it's 3 kids illegally riding illegal bikes without helmets*, who then crashed because they were going to fast/riding carelessly. You need to see the root of the problem, their parents, who stumped up the dosh, or the machines were stolen. You haven't answered the simple question I posed to you in the other thread, how would you deal with underage riders on illegal machines putting themselves and others at risk. *it's not yet certain what the salford lad was riding, due to the lack of clarity and understanding from the plod's statement, but what's the betting....?
June 9, 20232 yr What troubles me is that public is kept in the dark. What we are given are incomplete pieces of information and we all are trying to build a bigger picture. People have died. Why nobody is talking about accountability? Who has been charged with manslaughter? What is being done to avoid accidents like that happening in the future. Weeks, months are passing and all what we are getting are copy/paste headlines like "another battery explosion", "another cyclist killed". As society we just run in circles bound to repeat same errors. I am fed up with this.
June 9, 20232 yr come walk round Gloucester you need a crash helmet just to walk around but if he crashed in to a ambulance and still died he was not on a road legal bike but we shall see. a m8 on a 1000w hub motor bike hit one of the gray bollards and broke it going 30mph pissed he spent 2 weeks in hospital but if he had no helmet he would be dead. i never had a helmet for years but times have changed esp round here and how no one has been killed yet its only a matter of time i have seen bikes down that canal path going 60mph+ and plod dont care and i ride round the country lanes and get cars passing me going 60mph and giant piles of horse $hit all over the roads. Followed young lad, maybe 15 with ebike with a massive rear hub down eastern avenue last week. I clocked him at 30+mph. In Gloucester city there are loads of large hub bikes. Some kids and some food delivery. All riding in the pedestrian zone. Clamp down is coming imo. Anyway.. it's not a great situation if lads get in accidents with ebikes.
June 9, 20232 yr This is the clearest photo I can find of the bike. Perhaps someone here can identify it?
June 9, 20232 yr No wonder they are called Greater Manchester Police. There's enough weight in those three for at least five people. .
June 9, 20232 yr Hopefully people in the comments on this article are more respectful of the young person who lost their life. Hate all the point scoring that these articles bring to this forum, Some of the comments about the 2 young boys who lost their lives in the last accident are a disgrace. Remember these boys are someones sons, brother's etc. I don’t think anyone is trying to deny that the deaths of the three youngsters is anything but tragic. There are a couple of overriding factors involved: The laws relating to the sale of electric motorcycles and hence their easy availability to the public. Parents not accepting parental responsibility for their children and not providing a proper duty of care. Correct any one of those two factors and the three children would be alive. The police have been criticised for taking action. The available evidence suggests that the action was low level and consisted of observing from some distance. The alternative to what the police did in both cases is to do nothing. Effectively ignore any laws that are in place to protect people. If the police did this, I think there would be more deaths and more injuries and more criticism of the police for doing nothing. In both recent cases, the spotlight needs turning on the parents and questions asked as to why their children, for whom they are responsible and have a duty of care, were riding high performance motorcycles on roads without safety equipment. Edited June 9, 20232 yr by tillson
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