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[drago35uk]

not been on for a while but I' ve owned a Whisper Sport ,Kalkhoff pro connect disc and a Kalkhoff BS10. The Whisper I found was made using cheap components so changed to a second hand Kalkhoff pro connect which I liked. So decide to treat myself to New BS 10 which for some reason I never got on with. I think the trails I used were just not suited to the Kalkhoffs.
I was set on a Haibike xduro but have been offered an ex demo Storck multi road carbon fibre at a really good price. Any body had either of these?

 

[RobF]

I tried a Storck bike with the same hub motor - I think - as fitted to the bike you are thinking of buying.

It was whisper quiet, but weak.

Storcks are among the best finished bikes, which makes them very desirable.

Not sure a multi-road is what you want.

You may find the Storck doesn't suit the trails, just as you have found with the Kalkhoff.

 

[Martin@e-bikeshop]

Best bet is to always go and try both if possible. See which suits you best

 

[drago35uk]

Been to look at Haibikes today and decision made. Prices are ridiculous though so will be buying a used one.

 

[EddiePJ]

They appear to be two very different bike choices.

If I'm correct, one being hub drive and road biased, and the other Mid drive and off road biased.

Just out of interest, what use do you have in mind for the bike?

Perhaps a trekking style might be a better option, and also possibly cheaper. Trekking style bikes are surprisingly good multi role bikes.

 

[Croxden]

My Grace MX (now gone) is totally different than my Delite. I like them both but the Delite is a better bike. Now I want a more off road bike for the conditions the Delite has a problem with, mud. No problem with ice though.


I am looking at the Rotwild as something different and not yet commonplace, not to replace the Delite wouldn't want to do that, but it's so tempting to have two different bikes.

 

[RobF]

My Grace MX (now gone) is totally different than my Delite. I like them both but the Delite is a better bike. Now I want a more off road bike for the conditions the Delite has a problem with, mud. No problem with ice though.


I am looking at the Rotwild as something different and not yet commonplace, not to replace the Delite wouldn't want to do that, but it's so tempting to have two different bikes.

My Rose, like your Delite, handles badly in even light mud, as does the MH7.

So I've also been thinking about a mountain bike.

If money were no object, I would be taking a very close look at Rotwild.

The Focus from 50 Cycles looks a good prospect to me, not least because of the 17ah battery.

I just can't justify spending another £2K+ on another bike.

The Oxygen MTB would do the job at about £1,500, but I am hoping the mud problem will go away sooner rather than later.

That will allow me to keep the money in the bank and reassess the situation for next winter.

 

[Croxden]

I have looked at the Oxygen but I want a torq sensor for the better and more natural control of a bike. After the quality of the R&M bikes I feel anything less would not be satisfying, but I too am having trouble justifying the expense and possible rath of she who commands.

 

[RobF]

I agree with your comment about quality.

No doubt you've thought of it, but a Scott or Cube Bosch bike would have the added benefit of giving you interchangeable batteries.

 

[Croxden]

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No doubt you've thought of it, but a Scott or Cube Bosch bike would have the added benefit of giving you interchangeable batteries.

Now you are talking common sense, but where's the fun in that?

I never let being sensible get in the way of having what I want, what a dull world it would be for that to happen.

 

[drago35uk]

I had setmy sights on the Haibike but the opportunity of a new Storck Carbon at well under half price came up . But after the Kalkhoffs which I nearly shook to bits it has to be something built for rough trails and not roads. Looked at the Cubes but they look like someone's knocked one up in a garage. What I'm after is a bike that was built purely as an electric bike not a mountain bike with add ons and able to take rough terrain. So far only the Haibike seems to fit the bill.

 

[Croxden]

I had setmy sights on the Haibike but the opportunity of a new Storck Carbon at well under half price came up . But after the Kalkhoffs which I nearly shook to bits it has to be something built for rough trails and not roads. Looked at the Cubes but they look like someone's knocked one up in a garage. What I'm after is a bike that was built purely as an electric bike not a mountain bike with add ons and able to take rough terrain. So far only the Haibike seems to fit the bill.

It seems the Haibike is the one for you then. I remember that frame warranties for carbon frames were half that from alloy framed bikes. So that would rule out the Stork for me, just would not be up to the job.

My Delite would do what you want, maybe a bit dearer but jolly good on all the roads & paths I ride including the Forrest trails.

 

[MarkTheGoose]

I have a Haibike sDuro AllMtn. Not cheap and not available 2nd hand. All my mountain biking was on a hard tail as I do just as much up as down. Then I had a massive accident (carelessly fell 48ft off a cliff!) which left me with two badly damaged legs and my mountain biking days were over. Thanks to a motor, I'm now able to mountain bike again. I chose full suspension, as the reasons for not choosing it before (weight & slight loss of drive uphills due to rear suspension compression) are far less relevant on an eBike, and quite frankly the rear suspension is more comfortable and really helps compensate for my poor balance & rubbish legs post accident. Haibike xDuro's do seem to come up on eBay occasionally. The other obvious alternatives are KTM (like Eddie), RotWild, BH (although it sounds like 'fragile' doesn't work for you), Scott - I considered all of these, (& test rode all but the RotWild, which exceeded budget) but just loved the 'feel' of the Haibike. Still think the BH Evo Jumper is the best looking bike available, but I just wasn't prepared to take the risk that it would remain reliable.

 

[Electrifying Cycles]

What about the Haibike SDuro range which are a bit cheaper, comes with the Yamaha system and this brand has been in the electric bike business a long time.

 

[drago35uk]

Looked at sduro yesterday but at£2700 for one with a decent spec. I can get a used xduro all mountain around the £1500 mark. One sold on eBay last week having only covered 60 miles for £1500. There's one up at present albeit a bit dearer but with quite a few desirable upgrades.

 

[Electrifying Cycles]

That is a fair point, good luck

 

[MarkTheGoose]

I confess I looked at 2nd hand, but actually ended up preferring the idea of sDuro with the double front chainring. I also wondered what the consequences might have been with the battery life (new batteries are a big cost) and lastly, I had the option of a cycletowork scheme...

 

[rsyme]

I have a Haibike sDuro cross which I have changed into a trekking - added pannier rack, mudguards road tyres and lights - waiting time on a trekking was too far at May here in Ireland. Anyway - the bike is fantastic I had a Kalkhoff Impulse Ergo but had a lot of trouble with it, so changed. My dealer, Greenaer in Dublin were fantastic and dealt very favourably with the change.
I think Eco on the Haibike is about equal to sport on the Kalkhoff and although the battery is a 400 Amp , it gives me slightly more range than the 540 one on the Kalkhoff.
I agree that in this state it will not do mud, but copes very well with rough trails and will fly up any hill.

Cheers
Robbie

 

[rsyme]

Sorry folks - battery is 400 watt not amp!!!!