Safety of Ebike Batteries

UrbanPuma

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In light of the ban by TFL on full size ebikes, what do you think could be done to eliminate unsafe manufacturing/battery sales?

Also, would a register help or what this company is proposing https://batteryiq.ai/
 

matthewslack

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In light of the ban by TFL on full size ebikes, what do you think could be done to eliminate unsafe manufacturing/battery sales?

Also, would a register help or what this company is proposing https://batteryiq.ai/
Not clear at the battery level what they are proposing! Vapourware until they do.

Plenty of standards already exist e.g. CE mark. Better auditing at factory level, and bans of risky details like bag batteries, silly little charger connectors used for multiple voltages, lack of proper waterproofing etc would all help.
 

Raboa

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I can see buildings saying that you have to take your battery off your bike and carry it in a fireproof bag to be allowed entry.
Council / housings / work places / rental properties will ethier ban all electrical bikes / scooters or say that the battery has to be stored in a fireproof metal box
Bike companies/ conversion kits may also be forced to sell you a fireproof battery bag with the purchase.
Somebody will bring up electronic groupsets as they also have batteries, they are smaller though, case may be made to prove a point.
I volunteer in a bike charity and they won't touch electric bikes either to repair or refurbish.
 

AntonyC

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[...] bans of risky details like bag batteries, silly little charger connectors used for multiple voltages, lack of proper waterproofing etc would all help.
We need to be careful when talking about charger connections to distinguish between two separate situations.

There's a million or so ebikes in circulation, ~ 7 years worth of current sales. Many have an inadequate BMS that leaves the battery vulnerable to overcharging and for those legacy bikes it's right to stress using the correct charger.

Accordingly what we want from future regulation is that batteries have to have built-in electrical protection from overcharging, as nearly all recent batteries have in their BMS. They'll be safer still with more accurate BMS performance ('dynamic modelling') and as you say robust charging plugs superceding barrel connectors. If that's done right the voltage issue (and much besides) goes away.

Proprietary plugs or comms add a degree of anti-tampering but that comes at a cost. They aren't essential to safe or fast charging, you can have a second layer of over-charging protection without them, they let brands turn an otherwise serviceable product into future e-waste and they make a needless hassle out of charging. In mandating them the Battery Safety Bill makes a loophole for less protected, less safe batteries than at present, ineptly applying yesterday's fix to tomorrow's situation while ignoring the bigger problem.

Many of the 'institutions' don't seem to grasp the distinction: in future mandate better BMSs; until then fund those targeting advice at high risk groups, advising cautious charging or to upgrade their battery.