Renault Twizy

Sacko

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I don't know what is wrong with me, but I keep going back to this page;

Renault Twizy Electric Vehicle | Renault UK

Part of me needs this in my life, the other part of me thinks that this is just ridiculous.

Has anyone got one, what do they think of it?

What is the real world battery range?
 

grldtnr

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I was sorely tempted,but on investigation found the running costs expensive, plus you need to have a dedicated charge point, fine if you live in a metropolis,where you may find it a benefit, but in the real world the 'Infernal' combustion engine wins out!

That said ,if the Governments' electric vehicle grant counts, it would leave you the balance of £1,500 to find.
 

Sacko

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The £5000 grant does not cover this, as it is not classed as a car; its an electric quad.

It's uses a uk 3 pin mains plug, its not a dedicated plug.
 

Chainring

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I looked into this when I saw one appear briefly on a Renault advert on TV. I'm all in favour of practical vehicles/radical thinking, but it still has four wheels. It will be a case of mmmmstop mmmmstop in the traffic jams in the mornings, instead of puttputtstop puttputtstop. I have cycled to my present job for seventeen years, and have often given thought to how we can get round the problem of people getting to work when there is no public transport. I started to look at electric bikes, but thought them just a fad. When I spoke to a lady who uses her Freego to do twenty miles each day, I realised they were a practical form of transport, and bought my Woosh Santana. It works, and I'm happy to expound its virtues to anyone who shows an interest. At the risk of labouring a point, this is why I am so impressed by the ODK bike. It provides cheap transport, but is also capable of carrying a large amount of luggage. The man responsible has thought this through, and has more of an uphill struggle in the USA to convert people, than we have here in the UK. Our journey distances must be a lot shorter, overall. His vision is to provide an alternative to the car. As I wait at crossings every morning, I can see that nearly every vehicle has just one occupant. Just think, they could all be on Pedelecs. I can remember seeing a small car in France, with a single-cylinder diesel engine and variomatic transmission. I believe quite young people were allowed to drive them. They do seem to have more vision when it comes to transport. Their cars and vans are always so practical. (Perhaps a bit of a sod to work on, though). What a shame our government does not offer the same subsidy towards electric bikes. You could kit a whole family out for the price of one car.

I don't know what is wrong with me, but I keep going back to this page;

Renault Twizy Electric Vehicle | Renault UK

Part of me needs this in my life, the other part of me thinks that this is just ridiculous.

Has anyone got one, what do they think of it?

What is the real world battery range?
 

the_killjoy

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I am sure it is on the site somewhere bt I cannot see any details about the range or perfomance ~ only what colour you can have it.:)
 

Sacko

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62miles range (more like 40 miles), top speed of 40mph.
 

jazper53

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Not keen on the idea of a mandatory battery hire, and would be suspicious of such arrangement.
 

flecc

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I went very deeply into going electric for my last town car as you'll see below, but found it simply wasn't worth it, economically or environmentally. They are only good for politician's conciences and the wealthy with money to burn.

Jazper is right, the battery rental rates on all the Renault models are a con. Take the Fluence model which is the Nissan Leaf with a slightly different body (Renault and Nissan are effectively one company).

The Leaf battery at over £16,000 is just over half of the car's price and has a 5 year warranty, Nissan claiming it should last 7 years. So the £32,000 car without battery is just under £16,000.

THe Renault Fluence pricing was different, much more for what is effectively the same car but at £23,000, the battery rental was £800 a year. Work it out, 5 years battery at £800 pa amounts to £4,000, which added to the car's £23,000 is just £27,000, £5,000 short of the Leaf price that the company receives. It's clear that the battery rental will increase steeply each year to make up that shortfall, Renault knowing that once bought, the customer is trapped, having to pay.

Remember, as the motor trade acknowledges, these cars have zero value second-hand, no-one will buy a five year old knowing they face £16,000 for a new battery. Even at 2 or 3 years old the s/h value will be minimal, so in effect buying one of these electric cars is writing off the whole cost over 5 or possibly 7 years if lucky. Over 5 years that's depreciation of £6,400 a year for a small hatchback, which could buy nearly 1000 gallons of petrol enabling at least 30,000 miles a year in a small petrol car. And none of this takes into account the high cost of a the charging point installation.

An electric car purchase is just throwing money away for no good reason, the UK electricity that charges it is still 80% polluting at source.
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peerjay56

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I don't know what is wrong with me, but I keep going back to this page;

Renault Twizy Electric Vehicle | Renault UK

Part of me needs this in my life, the other part of me thinks that this is just ridiculous.

Has anyone got one, what do they think of it?

What is the real world battery range?
If you fancy a go, you can hire one from the Langdale Hotel and Spa. This article has details and links http://www.thequirkytraveller.com/2013/01/the-lake-district-in-the-terrific-twizy/ .

Sent from my LT26i using Tapatalk 4
 

Scimitar

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this is why I am so impressed by the ODK bike. It provides cheap transport, but is also capable of carrying a large amount of luggage.
I like that design a lot - saw something very similar being turned out on a Chinese production line recently and was inspired to think seriously about building one as it's just so well laid out.
My next bike will definitely be a cargo bike of some sort but I'm not paying the through-the-nose prices being asked for them.
 

flecc

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I like that design a lot - saw something very similar being turned out on a Chinese production line recently and was inspired to think seriously about building one as it's just so well laid out.
My next bike will definitely be a cargo bike of some sort but I'm not paying the through-the-nose prices being asked for them.
My little rear hub motor Q-bike isn't a million miles away from the ODT, it certainly carries loads and pulls large trailers well:

 

flecc

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Further to my earlier post above, I see Nissan have given up trying to get people to pay £32,000 for the Leaf model. Now they are advertising it at a bit over £15000 plus monthly battery rental. From what their partner Renault do on their equivalent model, it's almost certain that £15,000 will be after deducting the £5,000 government grant, so the same applies. The ultimate cost over 5 years will still be £27,000 after the grant for a small hatchback with very little range.
 

Sacko

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The main issue I have, is that the battery will be the property of Renault for the lifetime of that car.

A lifetime lease :/
 

flecc

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The main issue I have, is that the battery will be the property of Renault for the lifetime of that car.

A lifetime lease :/
True of all of them now that Nissan have adopted that pricing model as well. The e-cars from Misubishi, Peugeot and Citroen (all badged Mitsubishi i-cars) all use the battery rental model.

It means one is tied to whatever they want to charge for the ever increasing rental. For most motorists I worked out that the battery cost will at least equal the cost of petrol in a conventional car. For low mileage people like me the battery costs will greatly exceed any possible petrol cost.
 

flecc

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Renault could U-turn on leased battery policy

BMW have not adopted this model, and offer and 8 year (from memory) warranty on the battery.
That's perverse! Renault effectively own Nissan who are currently switching from selling the battery to leasing it. Sounds like some internal confusion there!

As for the BMW i3, it's only just arrived and is viewed by many as really a hybrid since they are offering a petrol engine range extender as an extra. Given only the well heeled can afford these cars, it's likely that most will take that option.

And as for their 8 year warranty, Nissan said they would offer 10 years at first but that's dropped twice and is now 5 years with their ongoing experience. Renault with the same battery, plus Mitsubishi, Peugeot and Citroen will only offer a battery lease term of four years, read into that what you will.
 

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