Problem with Chinese postal service ?

jerrysimon

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I have just had a very strange email to say that due to a problem of over load all Chinese post is delayed.

I am told there is a big meeting about how they are going to resolve this.

I wonder if the recent holiday has caused a huge back log ?

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Jerry
 

jerrysimon

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Hi just had an update. I think it is to do with their national holiday and the fact that they are clamping down on batteries being posted.

Fortunately my items are not for a huge amount just some cells for my DIY batteries. It appears that the authorities are re-looking at the way batteries are being shipped.

As we have already concluded there is always a risk when purchasing direct from China.

Regards

Jerry
 

morphix

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That's quite worrying, hope your order arrives soon and hope this doesn't mean higher costs or restrictions on battery imports..
 

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Yes, Fedex are refusing to handle Lithium batteries. I had to pay an extra 27 dollars postage to cover DHL's charges for my 'Little Frog' battery.
 

morphix

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Yes, Fedex are refusing to handle Lithium batteries. I had to pay an extra 27 dollars postage to cover DHL's charges for my 'Little Frog' battery.
This could be the start of a trend then in the courier industry it looks like. Chinese battery suppliers can get around this by using sea freight and shipping battries in bulk in sea freight containers to the UK to Chinese distributors employed directly over here who then send them out via Royal Mail.

Many Chinese firms are already doing this approach on eBay for other consumer goods. This approach has many benefits, no VAT/import duty for consumers to worry about and faster/safer domestic delivery of course. It could significantly lower the cost of batteries and provide more competition in the UK marketplace...
 

jerrysimon

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My order is only for £50 so no big shakes its a risk I know I take when I order. They have offered a refund if they fail to ship but as I said its a known gamble.

Surely sea freight would still attract import duty/VAT ?

I spoke to Ping who said he was now offering sea freight shipping of his batteries.

Regards

Jerry
 

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A recent small order from China using China post, shows the package was posted on the 22/9 in Guangdong and got to Shenzhen International on the 26/9 and hasn't moved since. (despite me tracking it every few hours for the last few weeks.... lol)

A horse a horse.. my kingdom for a thumb throttle :rolleyes:
 
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jerrysimon

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Dave,

I think the holidays has also caused a huge back log.

Jerry
 

morphix

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My order is only for £50 so no big shakes its a risk I know I take when I order. They have offered a refund if they fail to ship but as I said its a known gamble.

Surely sea freight would still attract import duty/VAT ?

I spoke to Ping who said he was now offering sea freight shipping of his batteries.

Regards

Jerry
It does, but the way VAT and import duty is calculated is very unfair (EU rules enforced on UK) and means consumers (and small businesses such as myself who import small consignments by air freight) are paying what amounts to 30-35% tax, because the VAT is not only charged on the goods value (which often HMRC estimates higher than cost price comparative to UK prices) but is also charged on the air freight cost, which has already been taxed.. so you're effectively paying Duty on goods+shipping+VAT then import VAT on top of all that. They even estimate the shipping cost and don't go by the actual shipping cost you've paid, couriers have fixed scale of shipping charges supplied by HMRC (set by EU) which they work to and will "adjust up" shipping cost to determine import VAT. It's a racket. Ontop of that you have the "deferral fee" racket (usually £15 a time) which nearly all couriers engage in (which incidentally I've had confirmed by HMRC is totally unnecessary as consumers and not obliged to pay VAT/Duty through deferment accounts and can pay it directly to HMRC).

I've challenged these unfair import tax practices with the Department of Trade via my MP and they claim their hands are tied due to EU law and it's the same across the Union. I'm now pursuing it at the EU-level and think all small businesses across the EU should bring a class action to reclaim all the VAT they've been overcharged over the years. What's really unfair is that big multi-nationals like Tesco, Amazon etc, are engaging in VAT and import-duty tax avoidance schemes using off-shore company fronts and getting away with hundreds of millions in unpaid taxes which the government is ignoring, and it's us smaller businesses who are getting hit.

So anyway, if you can bring goods in bulk by sea freight (which is a substantially cheaper way to transport goods, often 10 times cheaper than air freight) the overall duty and VAT is much less. And smaller businesses or small consignments can be combined into one container load so the cost is even less then to individual businesses who share the cost.
 
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amigafan2003

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Yeah, I'm currently waiting fro a few lipo packs from HobbyKing - ordered on 9/09/2012 - so I've just opened a paypal dispute to get a refund.

I'll re-order from HK Germany or the UK store if they've got the packs I want.
 

muckymits

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Yeah, I'm currently waiting fro a few lipo packs from HobbyKing - ordered on 9/09/2012 - so I've just opened a paypal dispute to get a refund.

I'll re-order from HK Germany or the UK store if they've got the packs I want.
I ordered a cellog about that time and it came within a week, so might not be Hobbyking, just the postal service.
 

Old_Dave

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I've asked my mate Google lots of questions and he doesn't know of any unusual / major mail problems apart from the ongoing lithium battery issues...
 

morphix

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TNT says they will ship lithium batteries but class them as dangerous goods and only will ship by special arrangement and after paying a surcharge:

TNT Express - Lithium batteries
 

amigafan2003

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I ordered a cellog about that time and it came within a week, so might not be Hobbyking, just the postal service.
Not my problem - that's for HobbyKing to sort out.

You only have 45 days to raise a dispute with PayPal and I've waited long enough. As far as I'm concerned I've paid HobbyKing for a service and that service hasn't been provided.
 

Gdread

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Current delays are due to Holidays with the shipping agents who collect parcels from the sellers and pass them to the shipping companies who are then in turn affected by the holidays. Hopefully the holidays will be over soon....

Also, I was told that the issue with Japan over the islands caused some issues

I spent £350 with one company recently and paid £47 tax on top plus I've had to wait for ParcelForce to process the custom charges......
 

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Yeah, I'm currently waiting fro a few lipo packs from HobbyKing - ordered on 9/09/2012 - so I've just opened a paypal dispute to get a refund.

I'll re-order from HK Germany or the UK store if they've got the packs I want.
I've been looking at the German warehouse recently, too. Not a lot of stock, but sometimes it's worth the small extra cost to be assured of quick despatch.
 

jerrysimon

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My batteries just turned up!

Ordered 11/10/12 arrived today 30/11/12 i.e. 7 weeks.

They actually refunded me a couple of weeks ago so I will obviously need to repay them :rolleyes:

I have to admit over the last three years that I have been dealing with ebike parts ordered directly from China all my transactions and their communication (they try their best and speak much better English than I speak Chinese) have been excellent.

A little patience is often needed, but overall I give these guys top marks.

Regards

Jerry
 
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My 5 Cree T6 torch which I ordered on 14th Sept has just arrived, but my GNGdrive only took 4 days., and two very recent BMSBattery orders took less than 2 weeks from ordering and 2 days shipping.
 

morphix

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My keyring cam just turned up yesterday by Airmail from China, after an incredible 6 and a half weeks from ordering! Definitely big delays for things ordered before the Chinese "election"! Keep patient :)