Prices of the electricity we use to charge
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They can earn 50% more in Australia.
Compare that with starting salary of an MP (£91,346) and the amount of training involved.
I'm all in favour of electric cars (at the right price), but your assertion that they don't consume fossil fuels is cloud cuckoo land and everyone here knows it.
Our grid last year was probably one of the cleanest in the world, but it still generated 27.2% of its power using fossil fuels the vast majority of that based on gas. So on current UK power generation mix, 27.2 of the miles driven used fossil fuels.
What is more, many other European nations have much higher use of fossil fuels. Germany for example generates 76% of its electric power using fossil fuels, so for an electric car in Germany, 76 out of every hundred miles are emitting co2.
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The remark about Germany's power production may be wrong. It could be that the data I quoted referred to the total energy use rather than just electric power. I relied on Google's AI and it may have misinterpreted my query and quoted total energy use rather than just electrical energy.
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Last year, Germany's renewables contribute 59.7% to generation of electricity.
At the current rate of expansion, in 5 years, Germany will generate practically all its electricity with renewables.
Public Electricity Generation 2023: Renewable Energies cover the Majority of German Electricity Consumption for the First Time - Fraunhofer ISE
"“The government needs to put forward a positive case for change. Life costs a lot more when you’re disabled, and prices are still rising. Cutting support to those who need it most will lead to even more disabled people living in poverty.”
Shelley Hopkinson, head of policy and influencing at Turn2us, added that “our social security system, like the NHS, is one of the foundations of our society”, which has the “potential to support people and our economy to thrive”.
“But over a decade of cuts, punitive policies and stigmatising narratives have dragged people deeper into poverty instead of lifting them out,” she said. “Rather than small tweaks and further cuts, we urge the government to listen to people’s experiences and take immediate action that can lift millions out of poverty.”"
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Shelley Hopkinson, head of policy and influencing at Turn2us, added that “our social security system, like the NHS, is one of the foundations of our society”, which has the “potential to support people and our economy to thrive”.
“But over a decade of cuts, punitive policies and stigmatising narratives have dragged people deeper into poverty instead of lifting them out,” she said. “Rather than small tweaks and further cuts, we urge the government to listen to people’s experiences and take immediate action that can lift millions out of poverty.”"
'We're extremely nervous': Here's what Labour's autumn budget might mean for benefit claimants
This is what the autumn budget could mean for benefit claimants – from increases in April to potential cuts to disability benefits.
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Budget Summary:
- Chancellor Rachel Reeves says the Budget will raise taxes by £40bn as she delivered Labour's first Autumn Statement in 14 years - watch reaction live above
- National Insurance contributions for employers will increase by 1.2% to 15% from April 2025, which she says will raise £25bn a year for the government
- In a surprise move, the chancellor says the freeze on income tax and National Insurance thresholds will not be extended beyond 2028, a move which will avoid hurting "working people"
- The chancellor also announces an increase in Capital Gains Tax, a freeze on fuel duty next year, and the introduction of VAT on private school fees from January
- Reeves, the UK's first female chancellor, reiterates yesterday's announcement that minimum wages will rise in April, and pledges to cut duty on draught alcohol, meaning "a penny off the pints at the pubs"
- On spending, Reeves announces a £22.6bn increase in the "day to-day health budget", £5bn in house building investment, and confirms funding has been secured to ensure HS2 will be extended to London Euston station
Tax incidence - https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/incidence-corporate-taxation-and-its-implications-tax-progressivity
The extra tax burden will be borne by a combination of shareholders, customers and employees, depending on the market elasticity https://oxfordtax.sbs.ox.ac.uk/the-elasticity-of-corporate-taxable-income-new-evidence-from-uk-tax-records#:~:text=Overall, our results suggest that,29% of the revenue collected.
But Electric Vehicles running on power station fossil fuel electricity are much more efficient than Internal Combustion Engine vehicles - (because power stations are much more thermally efficienct than ICE vehicles)
Electric vehicles use half the energy of gas-powered vehicles » Yale Climate Connections
They’re just much more efficient.
yaleclimateconnections.org
Replacing petrol with natural gas generated electricity reduces energy use by 48%
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unlike VAT which is an indirect tax and passed on to customers, Business Tax or CT, is charged company's net profit. It is the most effective way to make the billionaires pay at least a minimum. The remainder is split between dividend and transfer to reserve. People like Richard Branson don't pay tax on dividend in the UK, his company pays CT though.
Far too often, conservatives chancellors try very hard to keep CT low, giving away billions every year to their rich donors.
The middle-class cult that tried to derail the justice system
Convinced ‘Nazis’ were out to ‘mutilate’ children, a self-styled judge and his acolytes tried to take the law into their own hands in Essex
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Convinced ‘Nazis’ were out to ‘mutilate’ children, a self-styled judge and his acolytes tried to take the law into their own hands in Essex
The middle-class cult that tried to derail the justice system
Convinced ‘Nazis’ were out to ‘mutilate’ children, a self-styled judge and his acolytes tried to take the law into their own hands in Essex
So according to The Des Moines Sunday Register and The Armidale Express, global warming doesn't exist?
I think I'll file that evidence with the evidence for the existence of an almighty, all seeing, all knowing, merciful God.
Anyway you are slipping with your attacks on e-cars, you completely missed this opportunity
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they cant even work out when and where it is going to rain or not let alone say what it will be like in 20 years time that they said 20 years ago same as Iran is only 2 weeks from the bomb 
@PeterBridges
I don't have time to re-examine all the figures, but it is my belief that a modern, small engined petrol car betters 40% thermal efficiency. Small, modern diesel cars can do even better. My new car always does better than 60mpg on an hour long drive and often comes out at 68mpg.
Combined cycle gas turbine generators can manage as high as 60% thermal efficiency, but they lose 10% in power transmission losses, so at the power socket we are talking at max 50% thermal and transmission efficiency.
Then you need to consider the losses involved in charging and the motor losses in driving. In charging, you will lose about ten percent and more loss in the motor.
So, even as a fan of electrification, I am obliged to recognise that if an EV is powered by fossil fuel generated electricity, it could have a lower efficiency than the best modern petrol engines.
Where the EV scores over the modern petrol car is that in the UK, a third of our electric power was generated by wind and solar last year. You might also argue for air quality in an urban environment, but the new petrol engines emit tiny particulate or nox emissions.
I don't have time to re-examine all the figures, but it is my belief that a modern, small engined petrol car betters 40% thermal efficiency. Small, modern diesel cars can do even better. My new car always does better than 60mpg on an hour long drive and often comes out at 68mpg.
Combined cycle gas turbine generators can manage as high as 60% thermal efficiency, but they lose 10% in power transmission losses, so at the power socket we are talking at max 50% thermal and transmission efficiency.
Then you need to consider the losses involved in charging and the motor losses in driving. In charging, you will lose about ten percent and more loss in the motor.
So, even as a fan of electrification, I am obliged to recognise that if an EV is powered by fossil fuel generated electricity, it could have a lower efficiency than the best modern petrol engines.
Where the EV scores over the modern petrol car is that in the UK, a third of our electric power was generated by wind and solar last year. You might also argue for air quality in an urban environment, but the new petrol engines emit tiny particulate or nox emissions.
You really MUST know that businesses set their prices to ensure a suitable level of dividends. If CT is raised, the prices rise to ensure that the owners and shareholders still retain their income. This is an absolute FACT.
Raising the Employers NI contribution will have two effects. It will put a restraint on employing new people and it will raise prices. This is not rocket science. It is one of the reasons why a few years back we had so many French people working in London. My brother has lived full time in FRance since the 1970s. The tax on employing anyone is huge. He certainly was very concerned at the costs of employing new people.
The idea that business owners are rich fat cats sitting on bags of money is Labour cant. You ought to know that as a business owner yourself. All costs have to be passed on to customers or the business becomes non-viable.
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By the way that trope about conservative governments handing money to rich donors is utter trash. They generally do things because tehy believe it will work better. As for rich donors, can you remind me how much money Starmer and his team have PERSONALLY taken from Lord Ali and others?
It's a bit rich to talk about donors with what has just been going on. Lord Ali bought himself a free pass to Downing Street and he did it with money that went onto the back of Starmer and his team in nice clothes specs and concert tickets for the PERSONAL enrichment of Starmer, Rayner and others. As for Rayner she DEFINITELY dodged capital gains tax on her house sale. Whatever weasel words she used to escape prosecution we all know that she sold an ex council house while she had been living in her husband's house. Boris was a disorderly, unprincipled wretch, but he was pilloried about using a loan from a donor to redecorate Downing Street. He paid that back and always intended to, but there was a hue and cry about that. Starmer has had about a hundred grand in perks from Ali.
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You have to look at well to wheel efficiency not tank to wheel
Here they do that exact comparison for small new cars e.g Toyota Camry, VW golf etc
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