Pendleton E-Bike - Neglected batttery - Won't charge

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I've spotted a number of posts around the web about these entry level e-bikes that have been left over winter or other long periods of disuse without charging the batteries. The batteries are described as 'dead'. They won't charge and they won't run the bike. The posters often lament that Halfords simply shrug and offer them a new battery for about £300.

The other day, my partner bought a bike that had a 'dead' battery. The bike was little used - immaculate really, and had been left unused and uncharged for over a year. The seller told us she could not charge the battery, and that the charger light just stayed green. We knew there was a risk we would need to spend a significant amount on a new battery, but after some investigation on line, I saw a technique described as 'jump starting' the dead battery by briefly and cautiously charging it through its output or motor port. It would probably better be described as 'jumps starting the BMS', but more of that later.

We got the bike and battery home and I took some voltage measurements. There was 0 volts on the charging port pins and about one volt on the motor or output port. I concluded that the BMS was shut down and that the battery cells were probably very very low, possibly with completely dead cells. Since the BMS can cut off the charging and output port, these readings are not necessarily those of the actual cells, but they were very low indeed. I did not have much hope for the battery.

I double checked the output port polarity and connected appropriately coloured wires to the contacts and connected a non Pendleton 36v Lithium charger to the wires - double checking polarity and watching carefully for any adverse reaction. I used a different charger because it was easier to connect it to the wires I was using, than it would have been with the din plug output on the Pendleton one. The connection was in parallel to my multi meter set on DC voltage measurement. At first the non Pendleton charger light stayed green, but the voltage measurement slowly raised to about 20volts and then the red light came on on the charger. Over couple of minutes the now charging battery voltage rose to about 30 volts, and I then disconnected the charger from the output port and inserted the correct charger in the correct port, and it switched on and began charging.

We kept the charging battery under supervision and over five hours or so, it charged normally and cut off at 41.8 volts. I left the voltmeter connected and went to bed. Next morning, the voltage remained at 41.6 volts, and on reinstalling the battery on the bike, it performed flawlessly with strong power in the high assistance settings, pushing the bike up steep hills with considerable pep. My partner and I then went for a sixteen mile ride on our bikes and the Pendleton was great. All the battery lights were still lit at the end of the ride, but after an hour for cooling down, I re-charged it and after two hours the charger cut off and the bike is ready for its next adventure.

I wonder how many perfectly good Pendleton batteries are lying in land fill right now. Halfords could probably easily recover most of them, but perhaps that would not suit their bottom line quite as much as shaking their heads, shrugging their shoulders and offering the customer a £300 replacement. Given that Lithium and cobalt used in these batteries are rather scarce elements, it's a heck of a waste.

If you are not used to electrical work, DO take care if you use this method. You must not create short circuits on the output port and you MUST NOT try to fully charge a battery on this port. The battery would be completely unprotected from over charging and there might be a risk of damage and fire if a charger was left connected to this port. The method is purely to kick the BMS back into life. As soon as the voltage has raised so it can charge on the correct port, use the correct port.
 

Bikes4two

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What an informative article and one I've book-marked for future reference in case I or my friends suffer the 'dead battery' phenomenon as you have - thank you very much.

I would guess that the batteries haven't got off 'scott free' from being so heavily discharged but your first aid fix seems to have rejuvinated the battery pack back into some sort of life.

What say you ebike battery experts out there?
 

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It is possible to charge batteries like that, but extremely dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. There is a chance that the battery will catch fire, and a lithium battery fire can't be put out. I don't want to scare monger, but this really is serious stuff.

You can mitigate a lot of the fire risk by doing any charging away from the house/garage, so if it does catch fire, it won't burn anything else.

Secondly, you can get a good idea of how salvageable a battery is by opening it and measuring the individual cells on the multi-pin connector from the cell-pack to the BMS. Anything below 1.0v is probably scrap. Any at 0v are definitely scrap and no attempt should be made to charge them.

Thirdly, under no circumstances should you fully charge a battery through the discharge port unless you meticulously monitor the individual cell voltages on the inside of the battery.

Normally, it only takes a couple of minutes to open a battery and check the cell voltages, so I'd recommend that you always do that first before attempting to recover a dead battery.

Here's what I found:
  • One or more cells at 0v cannot be recovered.
  • One or more cells between 1v and 1.5v cab be recovered, but will have poor performance.
  • All cells above 1.5v is recoverable, though not necessarily to full performance.
 

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I wonder how many perfectly good Pendleton batteries are lying in land fill right now. Halfords could probably easily recover most of them, but perhaps that would not suit their bottom line quite as much as shaking their heads, shrugging their shoulders and offering the customer a £300 replacement. Given that Lithium and cobalt used in these batteries are rather scarce elements, it's a heck of a waste.
A company that attempted to recover batteries like that would be completly insane in my opinion.

As @vfr400 has rightly pointed out, it is vital for safety reasons to know the state\voltage of each cell in the pack before attempting to re-charge.
 
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Whole heartedly agree with Dave on this one, if any cells are sub 1.5v you are likely asking for trouble in trying to charge them this way and get decent life or stable cells.
Cells that have simply drained a little meaning the BMS won't allow charging and are above 2.5v are within manufacturers limits. It is prudent to actually know each cell group voltage status before willy nilly reverse charging and some knowledge and common sense is required.

Logically it is better to be safe then sorry.
I had a battery suddenly do this earlier in the year and it was used the week before, the BMS failed and the cells drained. I checked each cell group and all had gone below 1v, from experience I know that recovering it and getting any reasonable usage out of it would be like flogging a dead horse. Needless to say the cells went for recycling at the wife's family business, where at least they get paid by weight for the batteries collected for recycling.
 
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Lithium is very dangerous and fires very toxic, they burn fiercely and are nye on impossible to extinguish. They need treating with respect and certainly so with dubious charging techniques with out qualifying cell voltage status.
 
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There is nothing in the warning responses that I disagree with, which is why I used bold and bold / red warnings to caution the casual reader about charging through the output port.

I also clearly warned that that output port charging needs to be carefully monitored and concluded within a couple of minutes and ended as soon as the voltage reaches a point where the bms operates in the correct manner.

There is no way that a battery charger supplying 2 amps and a monitored 30 - 35 volts will set fire to a battery in two or three minutes. The process involved sixty watts for two minutes.

This battery had been left flat in a garage for more than a year and now works very well. Win win in my view. Immaculate bike completely unworn tyres bought for £350.
 

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There is no way that a battery charger supplying 2 amps and a monitored 30 - 35 volts will set fire to a battery in two or three minutes. The process involved sixty watts for two minutes.
It would seem unlikley that 2A for a couple of minutes would get enough energy into a battery to cause a problem.

But then it would also seem unlikely that issues with batteries only ever occur in charging.

So just because no problem occured in charging it does not mean a over discharged or faulty cell will never cause issues when in use.
 

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It's one area where we could do with some more ' big brother is watching you', since quite often when I give way to pedestrians, or let people out of side roads, I get honked at by some 'can't wait to get to my next accident' idiot behind. And this is out in the sticks, not urban mayhem land.

They obviously don't read the highway code since they don't know what a car horn isn't for.
 

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It's one area where we could do with some more ' big brother is watching you', since quite often when I give way to pedestrians, or let people out of side roads, I get honked at by some 'can't wait to get to my next accident' idiot behind. And this is out in the sticks, not urban mayhem land.

They obviously don't read the highway code since they don't know what a car horn isn't for.
:D Me thinks this is in the wrong thread.
 
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Gazza

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Hi Tony
I have the same problem. Did the other charger you usd bypass the BMS somehow to actually charge the battery?
If so which charger did you use please?