Newbie - How to plug a wattmeter to my bike?

cwah

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I just purchased a wattmeter from eBay:
Turnigy 130A Watt Meter and Power Analyzer

I would like to know how much power it uses. But I don't know how to do that.

I just received the wattmetter with nothing to connect.

Do you know what cables and plug should I use / buy?
 

Scottyf

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It needs to go between the battery and controller.

I soldered mine to the incoming power cables from the controller and then heat shrinked it. You can use all sorts of connectors it's really up to you. And your battery connections.
 

cwah

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hmm... any cables can be used? I don't need any thick one? And for the plug, is there something that could just be "plug and play"? I prefer not to solder.

Also, do you use any specific tool to attach your wattmetter to your bike?
 

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It needs to go between the battery and controller.

I soldered mine to the incoming power cables from the controller and then heat shrinked it. You can use all sorts of connectors it's really up to you. And your battery connections.
cwah, here's a tip if you're going to go down the route of soldering the wires together without connectors.
Stagger the soldered joints by cutting the positive wire short on one pair of wires, and on the other pair cut the negative short.
The soldered joints won't be next to each other like they would if you soldered wires of equal length.
This way the connection won't short out if the connection getted pulled apart or damaged.
 
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Scottyf

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Soldering would be best on any connection. But all your doing with a watt meter is placing it inline from the battery to the controller.

Ie same as if you added an inline fuse.

For connections it's probably best to get a tool for crimping to make any real decent connection without soldering. However even when I crimp connections I still solder to ensure it stays together.
 

cwah

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Ok thanks. I'm going to solder that then. I hope it won't be too hard to desolder that later when needed.

Do you use any type of holder on the handle bar for that?
 

Scottyf

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I leave it with my batteries so don't look at it while riding. I believe d8veh might be able to help with a mod to run this gauge wires to the watt meter instead of thick gauge wires running up and down the bike
 

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Or if you just want to connect it quickly in series here



I have since put heatshrink over the back ends of the deans plugs.

Regards

Jerry
 
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It's a shame you didn't say beforehand. I would have made a remote one for you, so that you could put it on the handlebars. I think I heard that they changed the Tunrigy one so that it's not so easy to remove the shunt. I'd have to see inside. At the moment, you have to place it near the battery.
 

cwah

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Thanks for all your answers guys. I browsing all these topics. Any idea in what shop in london I can find extension cables? I don't want to order online and wait for that to arrive.. lol

D8veh, can you explain a bit more about your remote watt analyzer? I'm interested.
 
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The wattmeter measures the current running directly through it. That means that one side is connected to the battery and the other to the controller. When big currents run through wires, the voltage drops. The longer the wire, the more it drops, and the thicker the wire, the more it drops. The thickness of the wire is more important than the length. Therefore it's best to keep the wires as short as possible. If you want to put the meter on your handlebars, you need only to lengthen the existing wires with very thick wire like this, which works, but looks a bit horrible. You need 30 amp wire that you can get i Maplins. Bear in mind that it needs to run all the way from the handlebars and back to the controller - nearly 3 meters. I did this and there was no noticeable drop in range or power, but there is a loss of a few watts.

On some wattmeters, you can remove the bit that does the current measuring and connect it to the meter with thin wires, which is a much neater solution and wastes less power than the thick wires method. These photos show how I do it. It's slightly different for you meter. You need to check out what's inside yours. However, this mod requires good soldering skills.
http://s451.photobucket.com/albums/qq236/d8veh/Remote Watt meter/
Instructions are under the photos when you select them. They're in reverse order.
 
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The wattmeter measures the current running directly through it. That means that one side is connected to the battery and the other to the controller. When big currents run through wires, the voltage drops. The longer the wire, the more it drops, and the thicker the wire, the more it drops. The thickness of the wire is more important than the length. Therefore it's best to keep the wires as short as possible. If you want to put the meter on your handlebars, you need only to lengthen the existing wires with very thick wire like this, which works, but looks a bit horrible. You need 30 amp wire that you can get i Maplins. Bear in mind that it needs to run all the way from the handlebars and back to the controller - nearly 3 meters. I did this and there was no noticeable drop in range or power, but there is a loss of a few watts.

On some wattmeters, you can remove the bit that does the current measuring and connect it to the meter with thin wires, which is a much neater solution and wastes less power than the thick wires method. These photos show how I do it. It's slightly different for you meter. You need to check out what's inside yours. However, this mod requires good soldering skills.
 

cwah

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Thanks D8veh.

I've looked at your pictures, it seems to be complicated lol. But why not take it as challenge (just hope I'm not going to break anything).

I'll open and show pictures of my wattmeter a bit later here.
 

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Just checked my wattmeter, I'll need some precision tool to open it. I'm going to check on ebay if I can find something cheap. Otherwise, I suppose I wouldn't loose too much power with that? You said for you it wasn't noticeable?
 

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A 3meter run of 14 gauge wire will drop approx 0.5v at 20amps or 10watts...plus a few more for the connections.
 
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Scottyf

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How did you work this out NRG?
Only I have searched the net on how to calculate such things with no avail.

Reason being I run quite long cables from my backpack where the controller it to the Motor and would like to know what kind of losses I should expect.
The cable I use is roughly 1.5m from Motor to controller and I am using quite thick wire. I think its 10 guage for the phase wires.

I always thought Thicker cable was a little better becasue the electric can move down parallel through it. Rather than be narrowed like a resistor...?

I may be wrong though I'm still learning alot.
 

NRG

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Hi Scott , look at the various AWG charts for wire on the net IE: American Wire Gauge table and AWG Electrical Current Load Limits with skin depth frequencies

AWG14 is 30amp cable and has a resistance of 8.3ohm / Km or 0.025 for 3meters so ohms law gives 0.5v drop at 20amps or a 10watt loss. Its very approximate and the connectors will also add some resistance....

Thicker cable has less resistance / meter so will drop less voltage and therefore power but is heavier and harder to handle. 10 gauge is very heavy stuff, are you sure its 10?

EDIT: Just realised there is a voltage drop calculator at the bottom of that link!
 
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Scottyf

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Might be more along the lines of 12 guage cable then. As I maybe thinking of the wire thickness inc the outer plastic sleeve.

I know it cost me quite a bit when I brought 10 meters of it from Maplin (About £25) but thought chances are I'd use it up. By the time i've used it for my backpack connections and loomed them all together its a total of 1.5cm in circumfrance.

Not that any of this really means anything as its useless infor for you guys.
I know its about twice as thick as the normal phase wires.


Thanks for the post and the links though very helpful.