Newbie - Electric recommendations for Ride2Work scheme?

RegularGuy

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Jan 9, 2012
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Hello, complete newbie here, I've been reading up a fair bit but think I've just got to that stage were knowledge is dangerous and need advice!

I currently cycle to work a couple of days a week during the summer on a regular Hybrid, it's a great ride but at 25 miles is just that little bit too far to do everyday so am looking at getting an electric bike in order to do most days, say four a week.

It's 12.5 miles each way, 10 miles of which is along a canal towpath so it's reasonably flat, the rest is forest track and a few quiet residential roads, again no major hills. Only negatives are there are a couple of sections which get dangerously muddy and slippy after heavy rain, not very long, 300 meters or so but I've caught myself travelling sideways a few times and doing that along the canal, in winter, at night is enough to have put me off until the spring although I do still cycle to the station.

I probably should add I'm quite heavy at 15st which I guess would affect which motors will carry me? I'm also short 5'7" which will affect which frames will work for me. I usually take a small frame.

My objectives are: To lose weight (so I will be pedalling) and to save money.

With two kids and a stay at home wife the purchase needs to be self financing so I'm looking at the ride2work scheme my work offers which limits my budget to £1k (or maybe a little over if they can sell the battery seperately).

Can anybody make any recommendations?

My thoughts /concerns:

If I get a front wheel hub driven one, will that be better for grip in the muddy sections, a bit like 'four wheel' drive on a 4x4 but 2x2 in this case? How much of a difference will that make?

Hybrid or MTB? I have a hybrid which is great in spring/summer but not grippy enough in winter. Maybe just upgrade hybrid with offroad tyres for extra grip?

'off the shelf' packages seem to only have 8 gears, does that matter less with an electric bike?

Longevity of motors / batteries, bearing in mind I can pick up a cheap electric bike on Ride2Work for less than the cost I can buy a replacement battery full price, is cheep and cheereful like the 8fun bike or cyclamatic a better choice than paying more and keeping for longer?

Build or buy? realistically I don't have the skills to build but reckon I could get a much better bike and motor for my budget (even if I buy the motor seperately) if I go that route. Anybody recommend bike shops willing to do this who can mail out bikes or are in south East area?

Getting throughly confused, any advice or recommendations gratefully accepted and apologies for the length of my first post!
 
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As you're already used to pedalling and your terrain is not too hilly, just about any bike will suit you, and in your price range there's not a lot to choose between them. You'll just about make the 25 mile commute on a 10aH 36v battery. I used to do 30 miles with one fairly easily. If you want to be lazy and not pedal very hard, a 15aH would be better. There's little difference whether you have front or rear wheel drive. If it's slippery, I prefer front, which to me feels safer, but not a lot. There's no problem with gears: You'll probably only use the top two or three unless your battery goes flat when you forgot to charge it. The Cyclamatic is probably a bit short on range for your journey, and so would be other bikes with a 24/26v 10aH battery, so avoid those. I'd start with a ready-made bike rather than a kit so that you can figure out what's what, and then get a kit in the future. All the motors are OK if you don't abuse them by over-powering them or jumping off curbs under power, and all the ones that I've tried, which is most of the present common ones are good at free-wheeling. Everybody has their favourite electric bike, but, being objective, there's not really much to choose between them unless you have special requirements: Some are better at hill-climbing; some have better range; some are lighter; some are faster. It's a good idea to buy one off our forum sponsors because you're guaranteed good support. Full suspension is more comfy (but difficult to get in that price range) and front suspension would be more or less a necessity. Forget sprung seatposts: They hardly do anything. Try and get a bike with full length mudguards if you anticipate riding in the rain.
 
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johnc461165

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As the majority of your ride is off road, you might consider what are termed as illegal bikes ie more than 250 watts. I have an Alien Aurora with a 350w motor, the mileage you quote using the motor and pedals should very easily achieved. However the Aurora is a big bike and may not suit you, I am 6' 4" so it's good for me, the best advice is to try as many bikes as you can before you choose. Everyone I know with an E- bike thinks theirs is the best so be patient and try what you can.
 

Alan B

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Jan 5, 2011
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Check out the Kudos King. Mountain bike style, has knobbly tyres so ok in mud. Range, speed, cost all good. Frame size is 19", so I think it would be ok.
Only thing you would benefit from is fitting mudguards.
 

NRG

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Kudos seems to have a good bike range and battery replacement cost is very competitive with them...
 

JuicyBike

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There's a great shop in Swindon, worth the trip from Farnborough, where you can try a full range of bikes, each with their own characteristics and a wide price range:
E-Motion
Mark there is always very helpful and has an excellent reputation.
It would be worth you looking at bikes with lock-out front forks, remote lockout being an added luxury.
Our new Merlin bike has remote lockout hydraulic forks, but is only available for a test ride in Derbyshire.
Good luck with your search and welcome to the forums.
 

yselmike

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Having to take my flyer into the shower every 4 days to clean the chain with its 5 small cogs, chain wheel and cassete dont
get a dual drive system,its gonna get messy in the mud.
Think of how many gears you use I have 27 and use 4 max,my sprung seat works great,
 

tillson

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As the majority of your ride is off road, you might consider what are termed as illegal bikes ie more than 250 watts.
I don't want to open the legal / ilegal debate, it's all been said and more besides. You should be aware that your ride to work isn't, "off road" in terms of legality of the bike. You'll have your own views on that and how important it is to you.

The number of gears isn't important on an ebike, the motor makes ratio spacing less of an issue. The ratio range between the lowest and highest is more important.
 

bazwaldo

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Hi there, I agree with the Kudos suggestion, either the Tourer if you prefer narrow seat and low straight handlebars or the City if you would rather have a wider more comfortable seat and the higher "dutch" style handlebars.
If things get a bit muddy the contained Nexus hub gears would be easier to maintain and keep clean.
The Kudos batteries are also guaranteed for 2 years and are one of the cheapest to replace at around £200, so all around a very good choice.
Another option might be the one of the Tonaro crank drive bikes which are well reviewed by owners in the forum for on and off road use.
Like you I wanted to save petrol costs and lose some weight and have a 26 mile round trip to work.
My Bearprint bike managed 6000 miles and saved me about £720 in fuel costs before the battery deteriorated but I am very glad to say I have just received a replacement FOC under the 2 year battery warranty.
I also purchased my Ebike with the Cycle to Work scheme and paid it back with salary sacrifice over 12 months, you will need to budget for winter clothes - waterproofs, etc. While I was paying it off I also had insurance for the first year in case it was stolen or damaged.
Good luck wiith your choice.
Barry.
 

Willin'

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Apr 2, 2011
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That Wisper looks an absolutely cracking deal - so that or the Kudos should suit the OP to a T.
 

RegularGuy

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Jan 9, 2012
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Farnborough, Hants
Having to take my flyer into the shower every 4 days to clean the chain with its 5 small cogs, chain wheel and cassete dont
get a dual drive system,its gonna get messy in the mud.
Think of how many gears you use I have 27 and use 4 max,my sprung seat works great,
Yes, I have 24 gears now and must admit I do use most of them although I'm on a regular 'push' bike at the moment. Do gears matter less with an electric becuase of the assist?
 

RegularGuy

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I don't want to open the legal / ilegal debate, it's all been said and more besides. You should be aware that your ride to work isn't, "off road" in terms of legality of the bike. You'll have your own views on that and how important it is to you.

The number of gears isn't important on an ebike, the motor makes ratio spacing less of an issue. The ratio range between the lowest and highest is more important.
Cheers for that and answering the gear question.

Legality, very important. I'd worry all the way otherwise and it will be parked right outside the police station opposite my place of work!
 

kitchenman

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Try as many different bikes as you can. My first bike was a hybrid from Cytronex in Winchester but they specialise in road bikes. As my commute is from Alton to Basingstoke then that was ideal for me. Once I got it I was riding every day. I lost weight and reduced my waist measurement by a few inches in a matter of months. My brother was so impressed he wanted an electric bike. He has an Ultra Motor Fast4ward which he is very happy with. I used it for about a month including a final ride to deliver the bike to my brother which I thought I could do on the Kennet and Avon canal. I did this between Aldermaston and Newbury at which point I got on a train! ... The UM had 2" tyres which I would recommend for that stretch of the K&A canal.
I'm currently riding recumbents. The Spirit has 2" tyres and would probably be ok on a towpath. If you PM me I'd be happy to give your route a test ride and report back the results. As recumbents go its an easy one to ride and I would happy for you to have a go.
 

KirstinS

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I dont want to be the bearer of bad new but.......

You have talked about the Ride2Work scheme which is Evans Cycles scheme and not same as Cycle to WOrk

I'm pretty sure have to purchase from them sadly - this is what we have at my work too :(

sorry as they are not very good on e bikes IMHO
 

kitchenman

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You have talked about the Ride2Work scheme which is Evans Cycles scheme and not same as Cycle to WOrk

I'm pretty sure have to purchase from them sadly - this is what we have at my work too :(

sorry as they are not very good on e bikes IMHO
Yes. I was restricted to using Evans. They didn't have much of a clue when I bought the Fast4ward. If I were to have any issues with the bike I would go to UM (now Hero) direct. Just checked the Evans site and see they are offering a Scott - one of the new Bosch bikes! ...
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